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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL) View Post
    It's not massively stupid. The sooner we pay the debt off the sooner the stadium starts working for us rather than against us. The trick is staying competitive while we do that and it's not like we've dropped into mid-table and been completely hopeless. We've fallen short but not by a huge distance and it wouldn't have taken that much investment to have seriously competed over the last few years in situations when we've failed to.
    The ramifications of which is to prove how massively stoopid such negligence has been if we do lose cesc and nasri as well and have to replace them in today's market. Do you see what is going on here? -- we are not losing players because they wany more money (sure it helps); but we are losing them because of the reason underlined in your post above.
    ‘Arsene was very cautious and David was very ambitious for the club,’ said former director Keith Edelman, managing director at the time. ‘He was very good at getting Arsene into a position where he was comfortable spending money.’

    The board have said if wenger identifies a player he really wants and he needs the money it's there. Wenger doesn't think it's worth it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    You are essentially reducing the whole rationale behind football to a financial equation, just as Wenger does. Of course the club shouldn't just throw money at every problem, that would be equally as bad. But there's an element of investment in football, you put back into the club what you earn and you also speculate to accumulate, and indeed there's an element of risk to that. Wenger is a risk free manager and as such he's pretty much unsuited to league we're in. This isn't about buying houses or cars, neither is it a typical business scenario as you try to suggest. How many top flight clubs have actually gone bust and closed down over the years, say in comparison to the local businesses? Even in the most dire circumstances, Leeds, Portsmouth, these clubs took a risk (or hired Harry Redknapp which is suicidal) and paid in terms of their status, but they still plough on. That's because sport is still (thank fuck) different to a typical business, even though it's rapidly heading in the wrong direction egged on by accountant types like Wenger. There's a connection between the club and the local area, there's a fan base, you can't substitute brand Y for brand X if you are an Arsenal supporter, there's only one Arsenal. If the business types have their way all this will change and in fact the indications are these narrow minded and emotional cripples are having it their way and killing the game in the process. What are we looking for? Arsenal FC one year, Emirates FC the next? A merger with THFC? All of the usual crap that goes on in business but brought to the football world? Football is different, whether you care to admit it or not, and people like Wenger aren't helping the game at all, he's driving it into the hands of people who only care about the money and don't give a shit about the sport - like our board.

    If I'm a bum then I don't buy the expensive house because I know next year is likely to be just as unambitious as the previous. But if I'm a go-getter I speculate that the work I will do and the effort I'll put in will see me move ahead the next year to a better place, always on the up. So I might say fuck it and buy the more expensive house because I'm looking to improve rather than just exist. The big winners are also the big risk takers, those who play it safe might find a comfort zone but they don't rise to the top.

    Nobody wants Wenger to throw millions around recklessly, they just want him to demonstrate he still has a pulse and is aware there's a lot more to this game than balancing the books. Do you think the guy still has the winning drive? I don't. I'd put my money with him if I wanted a solid 5% each year but I wouldn't waste my time backing him to win at football.

    Who thinks the fans would have sat on their hands if the board had been honest and said this stadium move was a decade long project that would see the team emaciated in the process? Who would have sat still if they knew the board was going to bail before that process was completed? Do you see what's happened here? Our club has been sacrificed so a bunch of shits who didn't even need the money can cash in. That's the long and short of it. What does £4million mean to those guys? Lady Whatsherface banked £120mill+ didn't she? How much did she put in? How much did any of the other bastards put in and how much are they set to walk away with? Where's "Do Nothing" Stan getting all the cash from? Do we know yet?

    They can stick their business model up their arses as far as I'm concerned. They can crow about its virtue all they want and meanwhile a team that used to be able to compete with the likes on Utd (they used to have to kick us of the pitch because they couldn't live with us) is swirling around the toilet bowl waiting for the one big final flush from Wenger. All is well, don't be so impatient, appreciate what you've got, he tells us - as he merrily continues to neglect the glaring problems this club has been facing for years and the fans sit and watch the team being humiliated by the likes of Newcastle, West Brom and Birmingham fucking City.

    Shankley had it right, not Wenger. Football is much, much more than a sordid, nasty money-making trip for rich guys, or at least it fucking should be.
    Latecomer to this topic but wow, that was a great post NQ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by budesonide View Post
    maybe his mind was no longer here? He said that much recently about what he believed to be a witch-hunt against him after the birmingham disaster. This was a guy who was voted in the league team of year a few years ago. He is not that shi*t.

    I have seen Dani Alves and Pique cock up so many times in barca matches but because they are in a brilliant team most of their fuc*k-ups don't end up being costly.
    Yeah, he's a good player but with a lack of offensive end product and the tendency to fuck up he'll never be world class, maybe he'll exorcise a few demons from the Birmingham match by playing for a different team and improve further but he wasn't going to do that with us regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Verminator View Post
    Latecomer to this topic but wow, that was a great post NQ.
    NQ is hands down the best poster I have seen on an Arsenal subject.. PERIOD!

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    NQ and Gary are my idols.

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    NQ is certainly one to emulate. How old is he?? Am I right in assuming hes in his 60s??
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    Dunno, what age does senility start to set in?

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    Does NQ = bergstar?

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    No. Bergy hasn't been on for a while. I'm sure he did make it over after the move though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirjackofwilshere View Post
    NQ is certainly one to emulate. How old is he?? Am I right in assuming hes in his 60s??
    60! You cheeky bar steward, during the war we knew how to deal with your type!
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