Good Bye RVP!

[Joker]

I doubt he's refused to train, given that he's going to Germany and we actually saw him in training before we went off on the Asia tour. Personally, like I said before I don't think losing him will be a big loss at all, and I expect him to flatter to deceive at Old Trafford, but there's some revisionism going on here re: RVP, from people who treated him like a saint last season and thought he could do no wrong. Last season, people were making all sorts of excuses when I argued that he failed to produce in big matches, and posters like Ollie castigated me for it. Now, he's making the same arguments I did last season!.

And I find it hypocritical that some of the unfair criticisms against RVP made in this thread (that he doesn't want to train) are getting a free reign, while the (IMO) more relevant criticisms I made last season were treated as blasphemy. I know people will say it's because he's now wanting to leave so he's become a villain, but this lack of consistency makes it hard to get a debate going tbh.

[Ollie the Optimist]

I doubt he's refused to train, given that he's going to Germany and we actually saw him in training before we went off on the Asia tour. Personally, like I said before I don't think losing him will be a big loss at all, and I expect him to flatter to deceive at Old Trafford, but there's some revisionism going on here re: RVP, from people who treated him like a saint last season and thought he could do no wrong. Last season, people were making all sorts of excuses when I argued that he failed to produce in big matches, and posters like Ollie castigated me for it. Now, he's making the same arguments I did last season!.

And I find it hypocritical that some of the unfair criticisms against RVP made in this thread (that he doesn't want to train) are getting a free reign, while the (IMO) more relevant criticisms I made last season were treated as blasphemy. I know people will say it's because he's now wanting to leave so he's become a villain, but this lack of consistency makes it hard to get a debate going tbh.

your arguments that he was shit, when he had scored 44 goals in 45 games etc, was what i castigated you for because quite frankly they were moronic arguments

[Ollie the Optimist]

the reason he deserves no defending and utter hatred is because of that statement. no club captain does thtat. if he had come otu and just said i dont want to renew and left it at that then fine, easy to deal with but that statement was vile and showed exactly what he is. loyal to only himself and wanting his way and at all costs

[Joker]

your arguments that he was shit, when he had scored 44 goals in 45 games etc, was what i castigated you for because quite frankly they were moronic arguments

You also defended him against my claim that he didn't score in the big games against the big teams, and yet you repeat the same argument a few posts back.

[Kano]

when I failed to argue that he did not produce in big matches

i remember that

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

So the fact remains that RVP doesn't want to play for arsenal anymore.

So let's cut the crap and hope the club sells him ASAP for as much money as possible.

At the end of the day we support Arsenal FC not RVP FC.

Let's support the players that actually want to be here and play for the shirt.

you know what im coming to terms with rvp leaving and now cazorla has arrived my reluctance to let him go has dwindled.

rvp was critical for us last year and i dont think the signings of podolski + giroud on its own was enough to replace him. however, now we've bought cazorla it completely changes the picture. we've suddenly got plenty more creativity in our attack. lets not forget the reason rvp was hugely monumental last season was because we had noone else to open up the opposition defence. the signing of cazorla, alongside giroud and the pod, means the burden of weight is now shared.

while signing only podolski and giroud would not have offset the loss of rvp, i think podolski, giroud and cazorla does. so he can fuck off.

[Ollie the Optimist]

You also defended him against my claim that he didn't score in the big games against the big teams, and yet you repeat the same argument a few posts back.

no my argument was more that he was injured so didnt produce in the big games. you argue he doesnt score agianst big teams, he has goals against spurs, chelsea, liverpool, newcastle, united last year. big teams there.

[Joker]

no my argument was more that he was injured so didnt produce in the big games. you argue he doesnt score agianst big teams, he has goals against spurs, chelsea, liverpool, newcastle, united last year. big teams there.

But you can't have it both ways, either he was injured in the big games or he has regularly scored in the big games. You can't be injured while also scoring in the most important matches of the season.

[Thierrymon]

so you say united stand by their old players and look after them and we dont then dimiss the fact that we actually give injury prone players a chance, clichy, rvp, diaby etc, we stood by them all through their problems. we stood by rvp through his rape case, we gave him eveything we could to make sure he could succed. he then throws it back in our face.

you say who wants to look back at their career with no trophies, but where was van persie when we needed to win stuff, where was he during the finals we have been in? injured most of the time, just because we dont win stuff doesnt mean the players arent to blame, we lost the cc final two years ago, the players are too blame there, i am fed up with this bullshit from players saying i want to win stuff and acting as if they are free from blame for not winning with the club they leave

[Power n Glory]

I doubt he's refused to train, given that he's going to Germany and we actually saw him in training before we went off on the Asia tour. Personally, like I said before I don't think losing him will be a big loss at all, and I expect him to flatter to deceive at Old Trafford, but there's some revisionism going on here re: RVP, from people who treated him like a saint last season and thought he could do no wrong. Last season, people were making all sorts of excuses when I argued that he failed to produce in big matches, and posters like Ollie castigated me for it. Now, he's making the same arguments I did last season!.

And I find it hypocritical that some of the unfair criticisms against RVP made in this thread (that he doesn't want to train) are getting a free reign, while the (IMO) more relevant criticisms I made last season were treated as blasphemy. I know people will say it's because he's now wanting to leave so he's become a villain, but this lack of consistency makes it hard to get a debate going tbh.

Ollie has lost his mind. Just look at this.....