Originally Posted by Jeebus
Don't try that one. It's a double standard in my eyes and I think people are full of shit. Sorry to be so harsh, but that's my impression and we might as well move on.
If this is the same "double standard" as they way we might moan about members of our own family but defend them to people who have a go at them then I think it's a fairly reasonable one.
Jesus people, since when can you force a player to play for a team he has no interest in. RvP rightly didn't want to go to Juventus and the Italian league (its shit), he and his family love England and wanted to stay..however not at Arsenal. So he had two options...City or Utd, he didn't want to go to City and wanted to go to Utd. There were no offers from Barcelona or Real Madrid either stop pretending we could just ship him off where ever we felt like.
Also there is no way Wenger would sell RvP to a major rival if he felt RvP wanted to stay. Its just bullshit PR from vPs people, don't believe everything you read. RvPs statement is as clear an indication as any he had no intention of staying regardless, the statement came out after Podolski and Giroud signed IIRC, so why would he now change his mind? Cazorla?? No it was the £225k on offer...nothing Arsenal could have done beyond bankrupting us for a chronic cripple.
North London, last night:
It's better to burn out, than to fade away.
I don't understand why people criticise player "greed" but ignore the immense greed of the board, not only those who choose to cash out by selling their shares (PHW) but their single minded obsession with the "self sustainable" model which is simply a euphemism for concentrating on profit maximisation over all else. We have had a negative net spend over the last 5 transfer windows, surely it wouldn't hurt if we actually ran a deficit this time round? Even if selling RVP was unavoidable, we should look to get another striker in, especially one who's done it in a top league (like Llorente). Instead, we're counting the pennies and it's simply a case of "one out, one in".
And Arseblog has become an embarrassment with his Pravda style propaganda BS. The same with Amy Lawrence. She even claimed RVP made some "outlandish" demands without providing any evidence for it.
Just so you don't paint me with your broadbrush:
My points on RVP's sale still stand thoughThe only thing that is abundently clear nowadays, is that football is completely and utterly crooked. The "game" is still there, but the tradition and passion has been lost. It's that horrible stench of "celebrity" and Disneyland that seems to fester around every turn.
If it wasn't for the attachment with the club, I would ignore it, like I ignore the X-factor and pretty much anything else cooked up to brainwash the public. It's like finding out you've been adopted. The love is still there, but you feel like nothing is real anymore.
We'll never know what's really going on. It's politics, media and money. There is very little "football" left in the whole thing.
It's better to burn out, than to fade away.
Don't they criticise both on here?
Do you think self-sustainability in a business is a bad thing btw? Isn't it (as Rangers have just found out) pretty fundamental?
Fair play, my point was more general, especially some of our fans who are beginning to look at every decision made by the club through a financial lens. This is exactly what the board want, and they're beginning to win the propaganda war. It doesn't help when respected bloggers and Arsenal media commentators like Arseblog and Lawrence seem to abandon any critical thinking and simply repeat the bullshit they sprout.Just so you don't paint me with your broadbrush:
My points on RVP's sale still stand though
Politics, media and money has corrupted the game, but it all started when the Premier League was formed. The breakaway opened Pandora's box, and while some clubs have adapted to the new scenario, we're still stuck in a time warp.
Self sustainability as defined by our board seems to entail putting financial considerations above all else, so much so that we're willing to sell players not because it's footballistically the right thing to do, but because the money-men demand it. It also implies that ticket prices must respond to the forces of supply and demand, with no ethical considerations about what it means to price out loyal Arsenal supporters from attending games. This sort of corporatist, detached mentality may work for a supermarket or a private sector enterprise, but we're meant to be a football club, and there's more to football than running a steady ship.
What most fans are suggesting would not badly affect self sustainability at all. Certainly it wouldn't result in us becoming like Rangers or Portsmouth (firstly we make a lot more money than those two clubs). Like many have said already, we make a profit during every transfer window, would it destroy our financial integrity to, for once, actually spend more than we receive in sales, and supplement and replenish the squad rather than bringing in players to just replace ones who are leaving?
gotta say, this made me chuckle
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/...d-29-and-a-bit
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