Gooners have been spoilt

[I_Killed_Kenny]

i agree with LDG, generally speaking football has turned shit over the last 10 years or so. but this is the 1st season in the last 5 say that i am quite happy with the summer and looking forward to this team gelling in the near future. I am not that old but have seen the arsenal in a lot worse times then these so realise theres always ups n downs but we do have a top manager IMO and this year i truly believe will be a re emergence of arsenal as a force. but younger fans maybe do want instant success, maybe they have grown up not knowing what it was like pre-AW days and so all they have seen is success. I can wait if things are moving in the right direction. there is still plenty of time this summer for us to still fuck up big time tho! the hu ha after our 1st game was incredible! i mean, if we lost half this forum would be on suicide watch!

[Cripps_orig]

The reaction after the first game was justified.

It might have been the first game of the season but to us, it felt like just another game of the previous 3 seasons where nothing had been learned and we lacked any ideas on how to break teams down.

We bought in 3 players which of course raised the excitement level and rightly so cos Wenger buying 3 ready made players is literally unheard of these days but then we go and sell 2 of our star players so right back to square one.

Seeing the same shit, same mistakes same everything being made season in and season out can make anyone pull their hair out. 7 years we have not developed, what makes people think we will this season? We have not improved at all the last 7 years. Sure the first 2/3 years, we were content with top 4 as we settled in to the new stadium and a new era but then we expected the club to push on and once again become challengers for the main trophies cos as i said, if we keep challenging for the league then eventually we will win it but unfortunately the board and Wenger are quite content with settling for top 4 and the level we are at atm and takes no risk of trying to challenge. I thought he was taking a risk by bringing in players this summer but we have pretty much made back what we spent with the sales of RVP and Song so we havent moved on at all imo

Add the fact we play shit football, pay the most of any fans in the country to see this shit football and you can see why fans are the way they are.

Not much wrong with the fans, plenty wrong with the top brass at the club

[Power n Glory]

7 years and running and some fans patience have worn thin. First game, some fans went OT, but it's also OT for this sort of thread in response. It's too early to call anything. We're looking more active in the transfer window, yet we're still selling players. We've got a fresh team, but will Wenger work out a system that gets the very best out of each player? We don't know yet. But I wouldn't start turning the knife on fans considering the last few years we've had.

[IBK]

7 years and running and some fans patience have worn thin. First game, some fans went OT, but it's also OT for this sort of thread in response. It's too early to call anything. We're looking more active in the transfer window, yet we're still selling players. We've got a fresh team, but will Wenger work out a system that gets the very best out of each player? We don't know yet. But I wouldn't start turning the knife on fans considering the last few years we've had.

Didn't think the thread was OT, but your are entitled to your opinion mate. Seems to me that it's come to the point though that short of us a) risking the club's stability by joining the £200k pw club, or b) signing a super marquee player, there are Gooners who are now almost permanently disenchanted with their club.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

you reap what you sow in this life - we pay one of the highest ticket prices in Europe, therefore we expect something back for our money like an actually serious attempt to address why we haven't won anything in so long.
The result of the Sunderland game was merely what was to be expected when you take your top goalscorer out of the side and expect two guys from foreign leagues neither of whom were able to feature in pre-season (one game aside) and throw them in at the deep end and ask for immediate results.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

3) Almost all the deadwood (everyone barring Chamakh) looks to be gone...

Arshavin is still here, Park is still here, Bendtner is still here, Squillaci is still here, Djourou is still here

[AKBapologist]

3) Almost all the deadwood (everyone barring Chamakh) looks to be gone...

Arshavin is still here, Park is still here, Bendtner is still here, Squillaci is still here, Djourou is still here

Doubt all but Djourou will be here come the beginning of September, and tbf, DJ isn't bad for 4th choice CB.

[Letters]

I didn't think the reaction was that excessive on Saturday. Heard a bit of booing but nothing more than a bit of frustration/disappointment.
And I don't think the mood is that downbeat in general.
The gereral mood seems to be that we've made good signings, accept they'll need some time to gel and that we have the makings of a pretty decent side.

We have been spoilt by Wenger's glory years but 7 years without a trophy is too long for a club our our stature (it has to be acknowledged that Wenger has made us a club of this stature, we were a 'big club' before Wenger came along but he has raised our level and expectations have raised accordingly)

It is harder to win trophies these days. The billionaire-fueled clubs are very difficult to compete with (and yes yes, Fergie manages it but he's probably the best manager of all time, Wenger's no bumbling idiot but he ain't Fergie). And the stadium move, while long term a good thing for the club has in the short term, combined with poor commercial deals, restricted us somewhat. Although we have, IMO, been too cautious and that has made our lives harder than it needed be. The benefits of that may yet to be seen.

Wenger has done brilliantly to keep us top 4 IMO in an era where so many clubs are throwing such silly money around. But we've been in a few positions in the last 7 years when we could and should have won trophies and we've failed to. That is where he has failed and any other club at our level would have sacked a manager after this long.

Fairly upbeat about this season. Don't think we'll win a trophy but at least we've signed some proper quality and while I don't think we'll win a trophy i fancy us for a top 4 finish again.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I think we as fans were for a number of years content to see a team develop. But a team never develops. Two or three players may develop at any one time, but once they do, they're off. This has now become a perennial problem and I see no way out of this vicious circle. How many more transitions can we endure? How many more times can we compare squads three years apart only to note that the teams bear few resemblances?

It is not unrealistic now to look at what has gone on and come to the realisation that it is unlikely to get any better anytime soon or even in the intermediate term. If we don't prioritise any of the minor cups or if we dismiss them as we have been doing, we are not going to win anything this season and that simply will add to the clamour for anyone who does have a good season to be off or cashed in on.

[Power n Glory]

Didn't think the thread was OT, but your are entitled to your opinion mate. Seems to me that it's come to the point though that short of us a) risking the club's stability by joining the £200k pw club, or b) signing a super marquee player, there are Gooners who are now almost permanently disenchanted with their club.

That's not true for most Gooners and an exaggeration. It's too early for all this. One game in, the transfer window hasn't shut and we've still got a way to go. GW in general has been quiet and there hasn't been many people moaning about the players we've signed. The match thread hasn't exploded either. Way to early to call anything.