Gooners have been spoilt

[Letters]

I think we as fans were for a number of years content to see a team develop. But a team never develops. Two or three players may develop at any one time, but once they do, they're off. This has now become a perennial problem and I see no way out of this vicious circle. How many more transitions can we endure? How many more times can we compare squads three years apart only to note that the teams bear few resemblances?

It is not unrealistic now to look at what has gone on and come to the realisation that it is unlikely to get any better anytime soon or even in the intermediate term. If we don't prioritise any of the minor cups or if we dismiss them as we have been doing, we are not going to win anything this season and that simply will add to the clamour for anyone who does have a good season to be off or cashed in on.

Yes, I think that's the main frustration. The feeling of 'nearly, but not quite' being ready to challenge and that we just need one or two players to push us on...but instead we lose one or two key players and have to rebuild again.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I think we as fans were for a number of years content to see a team develop. But a team never develops. Two or three players may develop at any one time, but once they do, they're off. This has now become a perennial problem and I see no way out of this vicious circle. How many more transitions can we endure? How many more times can we compare squads three years apart only to note that the teams bear few resemblances?

It is not unrealistic now to look at what has gone on and come to the realisation that it is unlikely to get any better anytime soon or even in the intermediate term. If we don't prioritise any of the minor cups or if we dismiss them as we have been doing, we are not going to win anything this season and that simply will add to the clamour for anyone who does have a good season to be off or cashed in on.

Spot on GB, its that Frustation of Being the so close team.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

We have been spoiled, though I don't know if I've moaned that much.

I get pissed off more with football in general than I do with club specifics (though many of those sickening things happening in football are prevelent at our club).

Still think Aw is a genius for delivering without spending anything, and I'm genuinely excited about the season ahead, and the new signings. I think we're a stronger side than we were last year.

If we didn't hear so much guff in the media, I'm pretty sure 50% of the disatisfied fans would be of the same opinion.

This i think because of the media and tauting from other fans makes our fans even more pissed off.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I didn't think the reaction was that excessive on Saturday. Heard a bit of booing but nothing more than a bit of frustration/disappointment.
And I don't think the mood is that downbeat in general.
The gereral mood seems to be that we've made good signings, accept they'll need some time to gel and that we have the makings of a pretty decent side.

We have been spoilt by Wenger's glory years but 7 years without a trophy is too long for a club our our stature (it has to be acknowledged that Wenger has made us a club of this stature, we were a 'big club' before Wenger came along but he has raised our level and expectations have raised accordingly)

It is harder to win trophies these days. The billionaire-fueled clubs are very difficult to compete with (and yes yes, Fergie manages it but he's probably the best manager of all time, Wenger's no bumbling idiot but he ain't Fergie). And the stadium move, while long term a good thing for the club has in the short term, combined with poor commercial deals, restricted us somewhat. Although we have, IMO, been too cautious and that has made our lives harder than it needed be. The benefits of that may yet to be seen.

Wenger has done brilliantly to keep us top 4 IMO in an era where so many clubs are throwing such silly money around. But we've been in a few positions in the last 7 years when we could and should have won trophies and we've failed to. That is where he has failed and any other club at our level would have sacked a manager after this long.

Fairly upbeat about this season. Don't think we'll win a trophy but at least we've signed some proper quality and while I don't think we'll win a trophy i fancy us for a top 4 finish again.

Top post Letters again.

The thing is I don't think the club does conduct it's business well....not any more...not since Dein and Edelman left

Gazidis is a complete cretin, only a moron would try and tap up a phone company for sponsorship negotiations without doing any research and then discovering to your horror that said company is owned by the man who owns almost 30% of the club and whom so far you have refused any sort of dialogue with.

Then there is the fact that Wenger desperately needs to be reigned in, he's performing far too many tasks for the club and in many cases he is performing those tasks badly......he has completely fucked the wage bill, he refuses any sort of advice or differing opinion as to how to go about things with the squad and has made a complete cock up of our transfer/contract negotiations.

He's a good manager i think still, but he's not a lawyer or litigator and he's not a businessman.....so he needs to take a big fucking step back and the fact that the club allow him to perform all these tasks and essentially employ his own boss....shows that things aren't being run well at all.

This.

The reaction after the first game was justified.

It might have been the first game of the season but to us, it felt like just another game of the previous 3 seasons where nothing had been learned and we lacked any ideas on how to break teams down.

We bought in 3 players which of course raised the excitement level and rightly so cos Wenger buying 3 ready made players is literally unheard of these days but then we go and sell 2 of our star players so right back to square one.

Seeing the same shit, same mistakes same everything being made season in and season out can make anyone pull their hair out. 7 years we have not developed, what makes people think we will this season? We have not improved at all the last 7 years. Sure the first 2/3 years, we were content with top 4 as we settled in to the new stadium and a new era but then we expected the club to push on and once again become challengers for the main trophies cos as i said, if we keep challenging for the league then eventually we will win it but unfortunately the board and Wenger are quite content with settling for top 4 and the level we are at atm and takes no risk of trying to challenge. I thought he was taking a risk by bringing in players this summer but we have pretty much made back what we spent with the sales of RVP and Song so we havent moved on at all imo

Add the fact we play shit football, pay the most of any fans in the country to see this shit football and you can see why fans are the way they are.

Not much wrong with the fans, plenty wrong with the top brass at the club

We played one game this season and it was hardly shit football unless your on about the last 7 years then id have to say our football had hardly been shit more entertaining.

you can see why fans are the way they are And how are the fans exactly. not alll are angry and upset ans you seem to suggest.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

I think we as fans were for a number of years content to see a team develop. But a team never develops. Two or three players may develop at any one time, but once they do, they're off. This has now become a perennial problem and I see no way out of this vicious circle. How many more transitions can we endure? How many more times can we compare squads three years apart only to note that the teams bear few resemblances?

It is not unrealistic now to look at what has gone on and come to the realisation that it is unlikely to get any better anytime soon or even in the intermediate term. If we don't prioritise any of the minor cups or if we dismiss them as we have been doing, we are not going to win anything this season and that simply will add to the clamour for anyone who does have a good season to be off or cashed in on.

another top post.

[gooners]

Let's be clear here:

We are OWNED by TWO bilionaires - FOREIGN ones at that!

The difference between us city/chelsea is that their owners don't see the clubs as pure investment entities. It's their money, it's their choice.

It is also Kroenke's choice to run AFC like Tescos/Debenhams etc.


EDIT: forgot to add.......simples!

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Let's be clear here:

We are OWNED by TWO bilionaires - FOREIGN ones at that!

The difference between us city/chelsea is that their owners don't see the clubs as pure investment entities. It's their money, it's their choice.

It is also Kroenke's choice to run AFC like Tescos/Debenhams etc.


EDIT: forgot to add.......simples!

None of then own the club unlike City or Chavs. But i agree our two biggest shareholders are in it for themselves.

It may be "Kroenke's choice to run AFC like Tescos/Debenhams etc." Just like its our fans Choice to keep Renewing Season tickets, going to games and letting our board get away with it.

[Cripps_orig]

Top post Letters again.

We played one game this season and it was hardly shit football unless your on about the last 7 years then id have to say our football had hardly been shit more entertaining.

you can see why fans are the way they are And how are the fans exactly. not alll are angry and upset ans you seem to suggest.

Anyone who watched the game and i watched it all as i was there and not on a stream which froze every few seconds would see we played shit football v Sunderland. We've had so many of these type of games over the years and yet we continue doing the same thing over and over again. Even when Giroud came on, we didnt cross the ball in. We are so easy to defend against most of the time.

Fans are frustrated. They know for a team that can finish top 4 season in and season out and getting all that CL money and yet still not doing all we can to win a trophy is bloody piss taking from the club

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Anyone who watched the game and i watched it all as i was there and not on a stream which froze every few seconds would see we played shit football v Sunderland. We've had so many of these type of games over the years and yet we continue doing the same thing over and over again. Even when Giroud came on, we didnt cross the ball in. We are so easy to defend against most of the time.

Fans are frustrated. They know for a team that can finish top 4 season in and season out and getting all that CL money and yet still not doing all we can to win a trophy is bloody piss taking from the club

Then Fans should not sit there and accept it simples. You either do something about it or STFU and support the team.

PS anyone expecting us to be world beaters and not as we were against Sunderland were deluding themselves.

We lost to of our big players from last season a day before the season started it was never going to be plain sailling or a good game.

problem being with Fans being frustated if its less then half the majoity the board/AW won't care.

[Cripps_orig]

What do you expect the fans to do?

Kidnap Wengers girlfriend and hold her hostage til he does whats right?

I expected us to play like we gave a fuck v Sunderland be the result win, draw or loss

We didnt