Gooners have been spoilt

[Cripps_orig]

I'm with you on the one step forwards two steps back - and the frustration that that causes - but firstly would that have been quite the case without Citeh and Chelsea's presence, secondly could the cub really have done anything about our terminal to leave players and their agents, and lastly, is it ally really fair to level the same accusation against the club this season, when it seems as though therre has been more of a fundamental change in our approach?

Yes it would have been frustrating even without City or Chelseas presence cos they arent the ones who have cost us trophies over the years. Its our own ineptness. Surely we should have managed a trophy or 2. If the likes of Spuds, Pompey, Liverpool and of course Birmingham can win a trophy or 2 since the time we last won one then there really is no excuse.

Players come and players go. Part and parcel of football. What we have failed to do is not replace quality with quality. We replaced quality with youth project and it fucked up big time

I dont see any change. I thought i did with the 3 signing but it was too good to be true and we have got rid of 2 star players since and the Sunderland horror show didnt show a change in footballing style either.

[Boss]

These kinds of threads are silly as people always start debating extremes, assuming that people who want us to spend want us to spend like Citeh or Chelsea do. Don't think any apart from one or two want that, most people want us to start actually investing in the team, adding to it instead of replacing.

This summer so far we've seen Van Persie and Song leave and Cazorla, Podolski and Giroud come in. After that you can stay we're roughly the same in terms of quality, given that the new three will take some time to bed in and VP was a far better striker than either of the players we brought in. Our transfer spending has so far seen roughly 41M come in (22M VP, 15M Song, 4M Vela) and 39M go out (11M Podolski, 13M Giroud, 15M Cazorla). For once we'd like the club to invest a reasonable amount in players, say 15M or so, something we haven't done since 2007-08 (coincidentally our strongest league challenge in the last few years) and 2003-04 (Invincibles). It has been a neutral summer so far but we need to add players if we want to actually win something, and I don't think people asking for that really want us to splurge in the Citeh mould and shouldn't be slated for asking for more.

[Power n Glory]

These kinds of threads are silly as people always start debating extremes, assuming that people who want us to spend want us to spend like Citeh or Chelsea do. Don't think any apart from one or two want that, most people want us to start actually investing in the team, adding to it instead of replacing.

This summer so far we've seen Van Persie and Song leave and Cazorla, Podolski and Giroud come in. After that you can stay we're roughly the same in terms of quality, given that the new three will take some time to bed in and VP was a far better striker than either of the players we brought in. Our transfer spending has so far seen roughly 41M come in (22M VP, 15M Song, 4M Vela) and 39M go out (11M Podolski, 13M Giroud, 15M Cazorla). For once we'd like the club to invest a reasonable amount in players, say 15M or so, something we haven't done since 2007-08 (coincidentally our strongest league challenge in the last few years) and 2003-04 (Invincibles). It has been a neutral summer so far but we need to add players if we want to actually win something, and I don't think people asking for that really want us to splurge in the Citeh mould and shouldn't be slated for asking for more.

[Power n Glory]

No we're not.


Why would we be? They haven't loaned us hundreds of millions of pounds which we couldn't begin to repay if they decided to call in the debt.


They are if financial fair play has any bite (which, sad to say, I doubt it will). If you want to see a club succeed by throwing enough money around until you blunder your way to the top then go support City. You'd have to be pretty thick to not be able to see the difference between their success and genuine achievement, but then most football fans are pretty thick.

Most of those fans have spent years paying for season tickets and have never seen their team lift a major trophy. They're allowed a little joy. They know the money has bought success, I don't think they're deluded and I think you're off the mark to of a 'genuine achievement' when talking about football. Speaking of thick fans, I think it's thick to continue pouring money into a club season after season while two billionaire owners sit on the Board and won't even put their own money into the club.

[gooners]

No. Being thick would be saying that a british olympian should feel less proud about their gold because their ugandan counterpart did not have the same training resources to enable them to gain similar competitive proficiency. You will have a point if the former was caught doping though.

[Letters]

and most players would disagree with that

Yes, they're noted for their brains aren't they?

[Kano]

they are definitely noted for having a far better clue than any of us when it comes to winning a trophy and what that involves.

but you say its tainted from your seat in the stand, so it must be true.

[Letters]

No. Being thick would be saying that a british olympian should feel less proud about their gold because their ugandan counterpart did not have the same training resources to enable them to gain similar competitive proficiency.

That's a shit comparison and you know it.

Bolt and Blake aren't the fastest because they have the best facilities. Clearly in some sports that helps but TeamGB can't, however much money they spend on training, make someone faster than those two. If TeamGB could 'buy' them for 100m each then should we then crow and be proud of our 'achievement' of a gold medal? It's not an achievement, we just bought the best people around to guarantee us of success.

Football isn't exactly the same of course but the billionaires have cherry picked the best players from around the world to make their teams and squads stronger than anyone else's. Players that their clubs couldn't afford otherwise. No surprise that those teams achieve success. They can get all the best players and, more disturbingly, they can buy players they don't really need and stick them on their bench or loan them out to other clubs who aren't their direct rivals to stop competitors getting closer to them.

[Letters]

but you say its tainted from your seat in the stand, so it must be true.

If we spent half a billion quid and won the league then, for me, that 'achievement' would be tainted. So yes, for me it's true.

If you're too stupid to see the difference between winning it that way and winning by building a team from young players, supplemented by the odd more established player bought from our own income then fair enough.

[Kano]

same applies i guess. if you are thick enough to believe that players running hundreds of miles every season, working their nuts off to win games, would look at their trophy as tainted, then you really and truly have not got a clue.