Yup not all players need time to gel, I'm not saying are new signings won't get better, what I am saying is that it's a problem for us as we're not looking dangerous at all.
We can't really afford for these new signings to take maybe 10 games to start scoring because by then we'll have dropped far too many points, we basically don't have any goalscorers in the team.
You have pretty much proved my point. You seem to be confusing the issue of Rvp being sold and the performance of the current team. No one in their right mind is arguing that we are better off without RVP. But keeping him was simply not an option. He wanted out and was offered a four year contract and lots more money at a bigger club. IMO those who think it would have been good for the club to make him stay another year are dreaming. Yes Spurs played hardball with Modric, but he had longer left on his contract (I think) and Wasn't club captain. Do you really think that Rvp would have performed like he did last season having been stripped of the captaincy (inevitable) and having released his statement that couldn't have burned his bridges any more conclusively? How do you think the dressing room atmosphere would have been? Remember the Gallas situation once he had got pissed off? It's naive to think keeping RVP would have been any better. No matter how good a player is football is a team sport and one individual is never more important than the team.Originally Posted by AKBapologist
Back to the case in point. Other strikers have scored on their debuts. So what? It doesn't change my point about bedding in. Giroud could easily have scored in the last 2 games. So could podolski. Yes there are some exceptions who hit the ground running that doesn't change the fact that in the real world most players take time to bed in. You mention your players. I point to the likes of Henry Drogba Torres - and yes even everybody's favourite departed hero - Rvp. None of whom became what they were first off. It amuses me that you even cite Chamakh to support your pointChamakh came into a settled team. With Fabregas, Nasri in it. Giroud, Podolski are thrown into a team with an entirely new midfield and forward line up. A striker depends more than any midfielder on an understanding with his teammates - because he depends on rather than dictating the play. Expecting our new strikers to fire consistently from the off - particularly when our style of play depends on defence splitting passes rather than playing into space, particularly against the likes of Sunderland and Stoke who really do little more than close down as a whole team in defence is a pipe dream.
We would all like to be challenging for the league. Reality dictates that through no real fault of the club's we are starting from behind again. Don't let your frustration turn you against players after just 2 games.
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Nonsense. We have the French league's top scorer from last season and a striker who has scored a shit load of goals for one of the top international teams in the world. Get a grip!
Putting the laughter back into manslaughter
French league's top scorer in one season yes, he has however only played in the top league for 2 seasons and before last season his record was not great, he's totally unproven which explains why we got him cheapish, we've seen plenty of one seaosn wonders in the past.
As for Podolski, well yes that's true but he had better players around him and the style of play of his club and country was very different, don't think he suits the slow pass football we play, he's more of a counter attacking kind of player (he was seen shouting at teammates in frustration several times yesterday and it's only been two games).
As for this not being the clubs fault, sorry but that BS it's totally their fault we are where we are.
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I think Podolski will come good. He has a good record.
Got to agree with Zimm on Giroud though. One season wonder who did nothing before last season. Jury is out on him. Kevin Phillips was top scorer in England not so long ago but no one has heard of him since. Hope Giroud doesnt go the same way
I think Podolski is a good player for sure, I'm just wondering whether a counter attacking pacey game where he can use his speed is much more suited to his game.
I'm not convinced about Giroud either, my worst fear is that he could be Chakma MKII.
Far too early to come to any conclusions though and he does seem to have a 'triffic work rate, he certainly wasn't bossed by Shaw**** and Huth yesterday and gave as good as he got.
He needs to stay central though, no drifting out wide.
If Giroud flops, we lose. If Giroud comes good, we lose because we'll sell him. This is the point about all the transition and "gel'ling" BS. Having to transition and gel every year because the best players are sold out from under the team to balance the books and prop the share price (so a few fuckers can grow an investment and get rich, whatever the consequences), is the real problem. We transition and gel as a matter of course, the transition is permanent and ongoing, the personnel changes more frequent than traffic lights (except for the shit which is retained). Winning, losing, trophies, good results against Stoke, bad results against Stoke, keeping up with Chelsea, City's billions - we're not there yet, those things aren't even on our radar. Stopping the board constantly raping the team is the starting point. We're a training ground and feeder for the big clubs, and an investment vehicle for a few ****s first and foremost and in absolute priority to anything that happens on the pitch. European competition isn't about the sport, it's about the money. That's our goal each year, to bring on players to the point of cash out and pick up a cheque for making up the numbers in the Champions League. We don't buy players to improve the team, we buy prospects to develop and sell and the rest we buy to plug the holes.
Selling our 29 year old captain to a club that used to be our rivals but are now a million miles ahead of us is the ultimate expression of our corporate first agenda. Yes, selling RvP might have been inevitable - but only based on all the sales and lack of investment that has gone before. When was the last time we said "No"? Wenger tries his best, to the point of making himself look and idiot, to hang on to these players and build a stable unit - the board tries their best to sell them out from under him. This much is evident from the statements that have escaped even the close shop at Arsenal. I said it two years ago, last year and that's all I'm focused on this year because everything else has been rendered meaningless. Until the board is held to account and driven out then nothing changes - the "we had no choice" moment with Walcott is on the horizon, next year it's Jack, then Ox - and goodbye to anyone else who plays a couple of notches above the norm. This is what we do - we build players and sell players, this is now the purpose of the club.
It may be seen as an act of loyalty to eat shit with a smile on your face, that's my opinion of the fans who claims, nothing to see here, move along. Just my opinion, I get that other people see it other ways. But it's pretty hard to ignore what's going on almost in plain sight. When the same shit happens year after year, it's hard to place too much credence in the "wait until we gel" promise. "Gel'ling" would be the worst of all outcomes because out comes the for sale signs as soon as that happens. We have established a trend, the players see it, the other clubs see it. We won't break this any time soon.
What's funny is the ****s upstairs claiming we run a self-sustaining model. Anyone can be self-sustaining when they hike the prices to world record levels, rake the fans and then fuck them up the arse by selling the team out from under them. Nothing to be proud of there, it's just grubby, greedy little men doing what they do best. We're a football club, sustain the fucking team first please. Gel nothing, transition nothing, build something you ****s - instead of constantly tearing it down.
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Not if we bought a ready made replacement then him being sold makes no diffrence, the fact we did not but bought players who do need time to gel is the problem. maybe if we bought a Ba or even got Hernadez as part of the rvp we may have been better off but only the end of the season will tell.
I think it would have been silly to be expecting him to score 30 goals for us this season on his own. i think he is better the Chamack and will prove to be. Im sure once he gets his shooting boots on he will be ok. But like Zimm says we can't be waiting 10 games or so for him and poldi to score or get used to the prem and that is why we need to spend big this week and mostly in prem based players or ready made quality strikers who can do the job now.
Really and truly we should have Played Bendtner vs Sunderland might be big headed but he knows how to play in this league and maybe could have been the diffrence.
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