Disappointment Knows No End

[Letters]

No one knows if Wenger leaving will fix the problem.

Its a risk

Time has come to take that risk

That is a more sensible position. We've very little to lose - we could (IMO would) slip in to mid-table but I'm not sure it makes much difference any more. The only concern is a slip into mid-table could be a one way one but at some point Wenger's going to go. Not yet though, he keeps meeting the board's targets. Your boss doesn't sack you if you keep hitting their targets and, better yet, take a lot of the flak for the fans' frustration.

gooners - it's a silly 'yes it would'/'no it wouldn't' debate that there's no point in pursuing. None of us really know.

[Letters]

Call it wishful thinking but fans are actually voting with their feet. I know a couple of people who were not - at all - expecting to be offered a season ticket due to their positions on the waiting list. And they - along with many others, I guess - have declined on the basis of financial reasons and disillusionment with the club. But it's not easy to just 'give up' on the club and I can't imagine any of us who spend so much time discussing tactics and players and such will just be able to stop caring (despite NQ's best efforts). You don't need to stop caring, though. You just need to stop paying. Trying to maintain a big non-local fanbase, particularly abroad, is very tricky to do if Arsenal carry on playing poor football (quality and style) compared to the rest of the top teams.

We can't put any timescale on how long it takes until the club will stop taking the piss but one thing's for sure - it cannot continue forever. It just sucks for us to not know exactly when to expect any long-term change.

I think this will be my last season as a season ticket holder.
It's not just Arsenal, it's football in general I'm disillusioned with. I don't really care which billionare's play thing beats which other billionaire's plaything. It's long since stopped being a sport.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Wenger is responsible for contract negotiations.....he is the one who has burdened our wage bill....so without Wenger we would have a manager who wouldn't be taking responsibility for things that are outside his remit......

[Power n Glory]

And the Board is richer for this. Lets hope he (and his 'cousin') never changes.

You talking the GW board or crooks raking in the money at the Emirates?

[Japan Shaking All Over]

That's what you said last year.

Top 4 isn't scraping the barrel, it's what his bosses set as his target and he hits it every year.

That maybe so. . .and I accepted that last year as we went about things in such a desperate manner after Old Trafford we couldnt really ask for much more but. . .and its a big 'BUT'. . .this year we had a chance to push it a bit more. . .to not come across as satisfued with the bare minimum!

Sure we lost another two vital players but we had time to replace them, in fact with regards to RvP we could agrue that we had already but the last straw has to be Song and the way we just banked that money, used it not only balance the books or even make a loss a little easier to bear. . .we made a fucking profit

If the way that we concluded summer business was part of the scraling the barrel for fourth strategy. . .I dont want part of it.

I dont only blame Wenger but where I come from when someone sets a standard ie the board with Wenger, then they expect me to surpass it not just achieve it. . .

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Charlie...what is wrong with you. You're mental and have no consistency.

Oh im not saying your wrong i agree with you 100% i was just saying the board pay this guy and he bumlicks them sad but true.

On the field i blame him and him only no one else you can't blame the board fot that and if the new manager came in on the field we would be better for it.

Do you really thing if he left Stan would change his approach if you really do then then fine.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

And the Board is richer for this. Lets hope he (and his 'cousin') never changes.

Not really i don't pay to go to games never will till Wenger and the board leave either

No one knows if Wenger leaving will fix the problem.

Its a risk

Time has come to take that risk

Spot on i agree with this.

[gooners]

That is a more sensible position. We've very little to lose - we could (IMO would) slip in to mid-table but I'm not sure it makes much difference any more. The only concern is a slip into mid-table could be a one way one but at some point Wenger's going to go. Not yet though, he keeps meeting the board's targets. Your boss doesn't sack you if you keep hitting their targets and, better yet, take a lot of the flak for the fans' frustration.

gooners - it's a silly 'yes it would'/'no it wouldn't' debate that there's no point in pursuing. None of us really know.

no, it is not.

you say wenger is doing what he is told to do! History however suggests wenger has been a stubborn man for years and years an genuinly believes in what heis doing. Nothing has ever pointed to the fact that his hand has been forced by anyone - ever! I don't recall if it was fizmann or whomever that said wenger told thm in o uncertain terms that if they gave him a 100mil to spend he will give it back -- because 'i don't want to bankrupt your club!'

So there is evidence that AW is doing exactly what he wants, which means the board have no reason to upset a steady ship!

Hence if Mourinho/Rafa/Mancini etc or any manager who is expected to achieve top 4 finish is not given enoug funds to invest in his squad, they will walk!

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Call it wishful thinking but fans are actually voting with their feet. I know a couple of people who were not - at all - expecting to be offered a season ticket due to their positions on the waiting list. And they - along with many others, I guess - have declined on the basis of financial reasons and disillusionment with the club. But it's not easy to just 'give up' on the club and I can't imagine any of us who spend so much time discussing tactics and players and such will just be able to stop caring (despite NQ's best efforts). You don't need to stop caring, though. You just need to stop paying. Trying to maintain a big non-local fanbase, particularly abroad, is very tricky to do if Arsenal carry on playing poor football (quality and style) compared to the rest of the top teams.

We can't put any timescale on how long it takes until the club will stop taking the piss but one thing's for sure - it cannot continue forever. It just sucks for us to not know exactly when to expect any long-term change.

Lets hope so fans need to stop being mugs stand up to this business and hit them where it hurts.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Hence if Mourinho/Rafa/Mancini etc or any manager who is expected to achieve top 4 finish is not given enoug funds to invest in his squad, they will walk!

Jose if you think about it never gets attached to a club so its easy for him to walk away if he thinks he is bing wronged, same with the other too. Where as AW is too attached to Arsenal and he can't just walk away and thats the problem. Is he money hungry or is it he is a power freak and wants to control everything ?

We may slate the Pedro dolla clubs but at least their owners are here where is ours back in the states so really Your right Wenger and gazidas more or less run this ship while stan stays silent which suits all party's.

This is why Wenger needs to go now cause its silly to think the board will or sell to the russian guy.