Mostly agree with the above ^. But still don't think 'trophies' are an obsession for players as it is for some fans. But linked to trophies - 'prestige' is a bigger factor. Maybe saying you're a footballer at Juventus just feels better than saying you're a footballer at Man City, all else equal. On that front, I think we've sold ourselves short for a club with Arsenal's traditions. I reckon Liverpool would get more player loyalty than us for this reason. When you sell your captain to one of your biggest rivals for the last 15 years, it's small-time and you can't claim you give a shit about club traditions IMO.