Are we unlucky with player loyalty?

[Xhaka Can’t]

he was paid a wage for playing football, thats it

yeah, you would know! I forgot you sat in at the contract table

He was also the fire safety officer.

Now look where our penny pinching has got us.

[Ollie the Optimist]

yeah, you would know! I forgot you sat in at the contract table

im not sure what else he would be paid for? he plays football, he gets paid to play football. or am i missing something?

[IBK]

Yes -I think we are. IMO we treat our players exceptionally well. And I think we have suffered from the lack of a role model - a player that genuinely loves and committs to the club. Most others have someone. We don't - and haven't really had since Adams/Bergkamp.

[IBK]

This whole Denilson on 50k argument is so overcooked. It's genuinely like that at most to clubs. Nobody gets it spot on because you don't have the benefit of foresight. RVP might well have been on 80k but at the time of the contract a lot of us were thinking it was a waste. Similar with Diaby now - we were all calling for him to be sold but now we're thinking let's wait a bit. You take gambles. The youngsters are not getting paid according to their age, but their role. If Oxlade is set to get a new contract it's because he's going to play the role of a first-team player. Guys like Chamakh and Arshavin are a more transparent waste so it's got little to do with a 'youth policy'.

[Niall_Quinn]

i think we are talking about different things here.

We're not. We're both talking about extreme player greed, extreme player lack of appreciation for the club and the fans, extremely over-hyped players who aren't within 5% of being as good as they are made out to be and absolutely nowhere near worth a fraction of a percent of the money they are paid. That's the starting point. Then these ****s come in and start making demands and then more demands once their terms are met. I think when you have jackals negotiating with jackals there's no such thing as right and wrong, these don't enter into it. All there is is greed. Pure, undiluted greed. In the clubs, the players. So is Song, Nasri, van ****infection right or wrong? Neither. They are greedy, spoilt, ungrateful, shallow twats. Same as the filth who run the clubs. Simple really.

[gooners]

We're not. We're both talking about extreme player greed, extreme player lack of appreciation for the club and the fans, extremely over-hyped players who aren't within 5% of being as good as they are made out to be and absolutely nowhere near worth a fraction of a percent of the money they are paid. That's the starting point. Then these ****s come in and start making demands and then more demands once their terms are met. I think when you have jackals negotiating with jackals there's no such thing as right and wrong, these don't enter into it. All there is is greed. Pure, undiluted greed. In the clubs, the players. So is Song, Nasri, van ****infection right or wrong? Neither. They are greedy, spoilt, ungrateful, shallow twats. Same as the filth who run the clubs. Simple really.

yes we are.

basically YOU would have no problems with squillacci earning the same wage as vermalaen,carzola,arteta or sagna.

that is similar to wenger's fantasy-land socialist economics that has burdened the club with an unworkable wage structure that sees top-tier players headed for the exit come contract renewal time.

whether any footballer deserves what they earn is an entirely different issue.
whether bankers deserve the bonuses they take home is an entirely different issue.
whether WENGER deserves the salary he takes home is an entirely different issue.
whether PHW & co. deserve to be undressed in public and have their arses whipped for their greed is an entirely dofferent issue.

whether the idiocy of football fans deserves to be tolerated along with fundamentalist culture, is an entirely doffrent issue.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

This whole Denilson on 50k argument is so overcooked. It's genuinely like that at most to clubs. Nobody gets it spot on because you don't have the benefit of foresight. RVP might well have been on 80k but at the time of the contract a lot of us were thinking it was a waste. Similar with Diaby now - we were all calling for him to be sold but now we're thinking let's wait a bit. You take gambles. The youngsters are not getting paid according to their age, but their role. If Oxlade is set to get a new contract it's because he's going to play the role of a first-team player. Guys like Chamakh and Arshavin are a more transparent waste so it's got little to do with a 'youth policy'.

it's not overcooked.

it's not genuinely like that at most clubs. the youth project meant it only happened at our club. 50k-60k a week for a 20 year old is not the going rate, its arsenal's going rate. every club has a couple of talented players who deserve to be rewarded and fast-tracked for their natural gift. the problem with our club was that 80% of the squad were put on inflated wages and rewarded for doing absolutely nothing. furthermore, it became worse when wenger stuck by them through the failure even though it was obvious the project wasn't working. this exhaustion of the project was ludicrous and caused much of the chronic problems we suffer from today. if you put youngsters on big money at an early age they will hit the ceiling of our wage structure sooner than they would elsewhere. so not only did they win nothing but they also think they deserve more money.

most of us were quite happy for arsene to treat us like his little toy for a while, we all knew we would have to tighten our belts with the stadium move. the fans have been patient but this patience has been abused.

[Niall_Quinn]

yes we are.

basically YOU would have no problems with squillacci earning the same wage as vermalaen,carzola,arteta or sagna.

that is similar to wenger's fantasy-land socialist economics that has burdened the club with an unworkable wage structure that sees top-tier players headed for the exit come contract renewal time.

whether any footballer deserves what they earn is an entirely different issue.
whether bankers deserve the bonuses they take home is an entirely different issue.
whether WENGER deserves the salary he takes home is an entirely different issue.
whether PHW & co. deserve to be undressed in public and have their arses whipped for their greed is an entirely dofferent issue.

whether the idiocy of football fans deserves to be tolerated along with fundamentalist culture, is an entirely doffrent issue.

Where do you get that from? Squillaci shouldn't even be playing in the PL, never mind getting paid. Yes, of course it's a fuck up to pay him and any others like him - of which there are many. That's the problem. The talent margins between most of these players are razor thin, the talent itself being barely detectable. Genuine talent stands out a mile. The PL is overburdened with dross that wouldn't last 5 minutes in a proper league. Half these players are there to fill the numbers and keep the money machine rolling. That's why even ex-players who know the game but are now serving as pundits can keep a straight face while they apply euphemisms such as "brave" and "spirited" to hellish anti-football outfits (that would be misfits in any other league) like Stoke. And because it's much easier to wreck something than create it we explain away the destruction as "competition" and reward ourselves with pats on the back for having the best league in the world. Players like Song are mediocre. Nothing special. They make up the numbers but add nothing of merit to the game. A little shitbag like that thinking he's worth a wheelbarrow of money each week is a joke, a delusional symptom of a money circus called the Premier League. The shittiest, least talented, most hyped league in all history where the chances of seeing a genuine football contest between two football teams is as close to nil as makes no odds. That's the pool of shit these players are swimming in, pretending they are artists when all they are are rodents. Theo Walcott. We're talking about these non-entities demanding their contracts be thrown away as soon as they meet a bare minimum standard so they can get even more reward for doing what was expected of them in the first place. Just like we talk about bankers getting bonuses for not fucking up the economy. How low can the standards go? It's all connected. These footballers, bankers, shareholders, they are all demanding the earth for non-performance and the earth plus bonuses when they up their game dramatically and hit the middle peaks of mediocrity. It's not just about what they deserve or what they think they deserve, it's also about their total non-performance. Imagine a pair of ****s like Song and Walcott having the nerve to demand more money. It's beyond belief. What the fuck for? What did they do?

[Özim]

Unlucky, no we bring it on ourselves.

Sagna questioning things and undertstandably so. If you sell your best players all the time and make a profit almost every transfer window questions will be asked.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19503848

[Cripps_orig]

Sagnas gone