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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner View Post
    Of course it does,whats to say when he is fit again and playing he will give his all now. Infact who's to say Wenger will even give him games. If this is the Case like GB said let all the team talk to papers and say the same thing.
    Whether he says it or not is irrelevant, had he not said anything he'd still be thinking it.

    Every player will have been left surprised at the fact we sold 1st teamers and chose to cash the money rather than investing some. We've spent nothing this summer effectively, in fact we've made a profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner View Post
    Im sure he wants quality but least he is getting his head down for now anyways. And yes if things don't change in a year id expect him to get frustated.
    I don't understand this, he's played well yes...but what's to say Sagna won't? Cazorla pretty much came out with something similar before the window shut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsMe View Post
    I don't understand this, he's played well yes...but what's to say Sagna won't? Cazorla pretty much came out with something similar before the window shut.
    Cazorla's comments are being excused because he's a new signing, playing well and people are excited to see him play.

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    My feeling is that Carl Sagan is probably off in the Summer, most likely to City, and this is just the opening gambit of the usual 'I want a transfer without losing my loyalty bonus' dance.

    From Arsenal's point of view, he fits the profile. 29, and his stock is high. He'll have 1 year left and the number of games he missed with injury last season, albeit with impact injuries, probably will inform that descision too. Any new contract will involve rising wages for diminishing returns - at least that's the rationale behind the over 30's policy. Like Van Persie, this looks like the perfect time to cash in.

    From Sanga's point of view, this is also the perfect time to cash in. I don't doubt he wants to win things, but would he take a pay cut to do so? Does the Pope shit on bears? No.

    He is a fantastic right back, one I would happily keep at the club till 32-33. So losing him would be another gutpunch to the team and the fans. But this is the reality. Doesn't matter how much they pose in 'Number 1 Fan' shirts, or talk about Spurs as 'the enemy'. Players don't love the club in the same way as we do, and they won't stay because of it.

    For the record, I don't like what Saang has done. It's not 'honesty' to say whatever you feel.
    Honesty is facing up to the situation, it's attending to your responsibilities. He agreed to accept large amounts of money in exchange for certain responsibilties, among them, discretion in the press. Most companies with a public profile have this in a standard Code of Conduct.
    Why? Because public negativity causes loss of confidence, and loss of confidence impacts everything from brand value to team morale. You only have to look at Ratners for the ultimate example of a PR disaster.

    He may only be voicing what a lot a fans are thinking, but as an insider, his voice carries more weight than ours, saying he understands why fans are nervous is a de facto vote of no confidence. If he wanted freedom of speech he shouldn't have sold it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz View Post
    how he plays has nothing to do with what he says. the words coming out of his mouth will only reflect how he feels, which may or may not be reflected in his play.

    if he wants out, the players in the squad will already know that. and let's face it, every player is used to be talked about in the media or hearing about one of their colleagues - so it's just another day at the office.

    it's the fans it affects more than anything to do with the squad - which is the real reason everyone has got so upset about this. whether or not his team mates hear about him saying things in the media is irrelevant - they will say it all behind closed doors anyway.

    it is also not a case of 'allowing' or 'letting' players talk - they do so when they want anyway. so when they do, guaranteed their team mates are way ahead of us already.
    Agree with this. The talk is aimed at the fans. He wants out but doesn't want to be the bad guy, so bullshit the fans and pretend to give a fuck about the team. I suppose he could even mean it but how unlikely is that? Players leaving doesn't really bother me, I'm an Arsenal fan after all. Players pretending to be my mate fucks me off. They're not my mate, they don't have my interests at heart, they don't give a shit what I want, in fact they have no respect for me at all. So my answer when they start playing their games is, "Fuck off then, but don't insult me with your bullshit."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann View Post
    My feeling is that Carl Sagan is probably off in the Summer, most likely to City, and this is just the opening gambit of the usual 'I want a transfer without losing my loyalty bonus' dance.

    From Arsenal's point of view, he fits the profile. 29, and his stock is high. He'll have 1 year left and the number of games he missed with injury last season, albeit with impact injuries, probably will inform that descision too. Any new contract will involve rising wages for diminishing returns - at least that's the rationale behind the over 30's policy. Like Van Persie, this looks like the perfect time to cash in.

    From Sanga's point of view, this is also the perfect time to cash in. I don't doubt he wants to win things, but would he take a pay cut to do so? Does the Pope shit on bears? No.

    He is a fantastic right back, one I would happily keep at the club till 32-33. So losing him would be another gutpunch to the team and the fans. But this is the reality. Doesn't matter how much they pose in 'Number 1 Fan' shirts, or talk about Spurs as 'the enemy'. Players don't love the club in the same way as we do, and they won't stay because of it.

    For the record, I don't like what Saang has done. It's not 'honesty' to say whatever you feel.
    Honesty is facing up to the situation, it's attending to your responsibilities. He agreed to accept large amounts of money in exchange for certain responsibilties, among them, discretion in the press. Most companies with a public profile have this in a standard Code of Conduct.
    Why? Because public negativity causes loss of confidence, and loss of confidence impacts everything from brand value to team morale. You only have to look at Ratners for the ultimate example of a PR disaster.

    He may only be voicing what a lot a fans are thinking, but as an insider, his voice carries more weight than ours, saying he understands why fans are nervous is a de facto vote of no confidence. If he wanted freedom of speech he shouldn't have sold it.
    Sensible post. Players want to be treated like regular employees because of the liberty and advantages that brings, but they want to shun the standard conditions of a regular work contract because that often suits them too. Have their cake, eat it, then shit it out on the fans. Not good enough really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann View Post
    Does the Pope shit on bears?
    what happens in the vatican, stays in the vatican.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz View Post
    what happens in the vatican, stays in the vatican.
    Apart from the molestation which has been globalised.
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    Don't knock it till you've tried it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    Apart from the molestation which has been globalised.
    you can't hold back the best stuff all of the time

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