You funny.
You funny.
It's better to burn out, than to fade away.
Originally Posted by Syn
What's quite critical? What is the definition of 'ambition'? I've lost a little respect for that site.
I meant they were critical that the club were not as 'ambitious' as Gazidis is claiming. And then there was a little bit of semantics chucked in but quite vanilla, quite sensible, nothing heavy. It has been discussed about a gazillion times on here and I haven't read many (if any) good viewpoints. Just a bunch of toys out the pram from both sides about shit they don't know much about.
Are you suggesting that people are spouting utter bollocks on the internet?
It's better to burn out, than to fade away.
Wenger was on his way to the ambition bank...
talk about sitting on the fence. you just about asked every question then covered every answer without committing yourself to much of an opinion. maybe this maybe that, if this and if that. bit of a cop out.Wiltord's Winner, you completely contradicted yourself. The first half of your first paragraph stated how of course no-one would be happy with not being successful and then you said it's 'baseless' to state that wenger is content with not winning things when you'd just been arguing that no-one would be
Why hasn't Wenger done more to make us successful?
Maybe he's a stubborn fool, wanting to do things the 'right' way and not throw money around.
Maybe he's looking longer term for the club trying to get the stadium debt cleared as soon as possible.
Maybe the board are restricting him, pressuring him to turn a profit each year.
Is it because he doesn't care? Is it because he's happy with how things are? Behave, you can see he does and to state that's the only possible reason for his policies is laughable.
Footballers are competitive, so are managers (many of whom, Wenger included, are ex-players). Most aren't happy to just collect the salary and not be successful. ItsMe argued that above when talking about Sagna but then argues the exact opposite about Wenger.
ItsMe is also wrong when he says we need a drastic change in policy. We don't. If we'd slumped into mid-table then yes, but actually we've been top 4 every single year, a couple of times flirted with the title and got to the latter stages of cup competitions on several occasions. I fancy us for a top 4 finish again this year. We are not a club in crisis. We don't need drastic changes.
No, Wenger hasn't tried winning at all costs. Had he done that he'd have bankrupted us. Has he done enough? Probably not. Could the only reason for that be because he's happy with a lack of success? No. Is that even a plausible reason? No.
you're first point doesn't make my argument baseless. it's stating the obvious. it's like a catch 22- a manager should not be content with not winning but wenger seems to be. that's stating the truth and if that makes it a hypocritical argument then be it, but dont try and deflect from the original discussion- you're argument was that wenger does not look happy on the touchline so that means he wants to win matches and trophies. that's a poor argument because we are in a industry where every manager should want to do that. waving your arms on the touchline does not somehow magically correlate to a manager trying his best for success. my argument was that just because wenger is showing signs of emotion it doesnt necessarily mean deep down in his hearts of hearts he wants to win trophies, or even that he thinks we can win trophies. as already mentioned, its a catch 22; managers should want to win trophies but wenger seems not to. if he did he'd do something about it especially as he's openly admitted we need some reinforcements. the fact he didn't spend to improve the squad tells any rational fan that he's happy to slide into the top 4 and keep the bank rolling. furthermore, there seems to be no real restriction from the board who have always said they are happy to back him. so the recent responsibility comes down to wenger.
it'll be interesting to see whether wenger signs a new contract or not. it'll show us whether the myth about him being financially restricted is true. if he is financially restricted i find it hard to see him signing a new contract as he wouldn't want to commit his life working under handcuffs, harming his legacy. if he signs a new contract it's a pretty big indication that he isn't restricted. he's been earning 7m a year for the past few seasons, he's hardly going to sign for the money.
This
For all the talk about hes being restricted b the board and he cant do what he wants, doesnt stop him from signing new contracts over the last 7 years.
Wenger sympathizers on here do not really have much to go on
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It's not a cop out. It's stating the obvious that we don't know what's going on in Wenger's head, we don't really know what's going on in the club.
Wenger doesn't seem to be content with us not winning. You can see in his reactions he's not content. Why he doesn't do more about that? There are plenty of possible reasons. I've suggested a few. The idea that it's because he's happy with how things are going is probably the least plausible. Not just because of his reactions when things aren't going well but also because, as you said yourself:
Especially a manager who has been used to winning trophies as he has. Are you suggesting that anyone who stays in a job or relationship when things don't seem to be going well is doing so because they're happy in that situation? There's no other possible explanation?every manager should want to do that.
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So your saying Wenger is not the only one who would do this. IMO it depends on the situation your in. Lets ne honest If Wenger was under Roman do you think he would have stayed in his job by now. Infact if he was under Usmanov would he be allowed to do this? Maybe with the way the russian speaks about him
You say he is happy coming 3rd i doubt that just cause he is content with it does not mean he is happy with it.
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