Goodbye Sanga?

[Cripps_orig]

Yet you still pay money towards this shitness

I'm an Arsenal fan. Through thick and thin.

I stand by the club unlike people like yourself who are more than happy to support other clubs

Barca?

[Letters]

Full-blown meltdown mode

Ach

[Cripps_orig]

It's because he's so happy with our lack of success. He just couldn't be happier. Why would he want anything to change?

Wouldnt say hes happy but its clear hes taken the "i still get paid £7m a year regardless so fuck the team" stance

[Joker]

He does care when we lose cup finals, are out of the race for the Premier League etc, but it's not something that IMO he worries about for too long. Now, if we failed to qualify for the UCL, that would affect him greatly. At the start of every season, he always starts by talking about how 4th place is like a trophy, the financial benefits of qualifying for the UCL, and only after making this point does he say "oh, but that's not the only objective, we want to win trophies also".

If Wenger really really cared about trophies, he wouldn't have rested first team players for the Carling Cup final against Chelsea in 06-07, the Carling Cup semi final against the Spuds 07-08, the FA Cup semi final against Chelsea 08-09, and the numerous FA Cup exits we've had against sides like Blackburn, Stoke, etc where we played B teams. A manager who cared about trophies more than about 4th place would have put out stronger sides to signal his intention of winning these competitions. Of course he was not happy we were knocked out, but they are clearly very low down on his list of priorities. The pro-Wenger fans are misrepresenting the argument being made.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I'm an Arsenal fan. Through thick and thin.

I stand by the club unlike people like yourself who are more than happy to support other clubs

Barca?

Im not happy with the way the club us run, and once i am i'll go to games again. does not make me less of a fan.

[Syn]

Cripps, he's done you again. I didn't expect a meltdown so soon after mine.

You need to take some time off and regroup, come back with some new tactics because at the moment it's one way traffic.

[Letters]

Cripps, he's done you again. I didn't expect a meltdown so soon after mine.

You need to take some time off and regroup, come back with some new tactics because at the moment it's one way traffic.

I'd 8-2 to be Ach right now...

[Syn]

He does care when we lose cup finals, are out of the race for the Premier League etc, but it's not something that IMO he worries about for too long. Now, if we failed to qualify for the UCL, that would affect him greatly. At the start of every season, he always starts by talking about how 4th place is like a trophy, the financial benefits of qualifying for the UCL, and only after making this point does he say "oh, but that's not the only objective, we want to win trophies also".

If Wenger really really cared about trophies, he wouldn't have rested first team players for the Carling Cup final against Chelsea in 06-07, the Carling Cup semi final against the Spuds 07-08, the FA Cup semi final against Chelsea 08-09, and the numerous FA Cup exits we've had against sides like Blackburn, Stoke, etc where we played B teams. A manager who cared about trophies more than about 4th place would have put out stronger sides to signal his intention of winning these competitions. Of course he was not happy we were knocked out, but they are clearly very low down on his list of priorities. The pro-Wenger fans are misrepresenting the argument being made.

No doubt 06-07 carling cup final was downplayed but after that he has gone for them. For the examples you're listing, it's not that he didn't rate the competition but he overrated our chances of getting tr bigger prize like the CL in 08-09 or the league. The 10-11 Carling Cup final is a perfect example of him taking the cup competitions seriously when bigger prizes are not on offer.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

he always starts by talking about how 4th place is like a trophy, the financial benefits of qualifying for the UCL, and only after making this point does he say "oh, but that's not the only objective, we want to win trophies also".

If Wenger really really cared about trophies, he wouldn't have rested first team players for the Carling Cup final against Chelsea in 06-07, the Carling Cup semi final against the Spuds 07-08, the FA Cup semi final against Chelsea 08-09, and the numerous FA Cup exits we've had against sides like Blackburn, Stoke, etc where we played B teams. A manager who cared about trophies more than about 4th place would have put out stronger sides to signal his intention of winning these competitions. Of course he was not happy we were knocked out, but they are clearly very low down on his list of priorities. The pro-Wenger fans are misrepresenting the argument being made.

Never one heard him say this season 4th place was the target or its a trophy infact don't think he said it at the begining of last season either.

If Wenger really really cared about trophies, he wouldn't have rested first team players for the Carling Cup final against Chelsea in 06-07, the Carling Cup semi final against the Spuds 07-08, the FA Cup semi final against Chelsea 08-09, and the numerous FA Cup exits we've had against sides like Blackburn, Stoke, etc where we played B teams.

He Does care about cups but like mosts Gooners The CC and fa cup did were not the ones they wanted to win. its only now we have not one a trophy fans are moaning we should be going for the CC when a few years ago it was the mickey mouse cup for teams like everton.

A manager who cared about trophies more than about 4th place would have put out stronger sides to signal his intention of winning these competitions. Of course he was not happy we were knocked out, but they are clearly very low down on his list of priorities.

You mean like fergie did against place last season in the CC.

[Joker]

Never one heard him say this season 4th place was the target or its a trophy infact don't think he said it at the begining of last season either.

He Does care about cups but like mosts Gooners The CC and fa cup did were not the ones they wanted to win. its only now we have not one a trophy fans are moaning we should be going for the CC when a few years ago it was the mickey mouse cup for teams like everton.

You mean like fergie did against place last season in the CC.

1) He has said 4th place was like a trophy: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...l-fourth-place

2) At the start of the season they're lower down in the list of priorities, but once you've got to the semis/finals, you shouldn't be resting players. I know Syn says we didn't really do that after the CC final loss to Chelsea, but I remember that the Carling Cup semi final against Tottenham had a fair number of second teamers playing, and in the FA Cup against Chelsea, he inexplicably decided to rest Arshavin who was on top form at the time.