What is stalling Theo??

[Power n Glory]

I'm not sure why you want to compare my distant, speculative relationship with theo's close, informative one.

Because from a distance, you're able to question the logic in some of Wenger's decisions. We do it all the time on here. Up close and with inside knowledge, I wouldn't be surprised if Theo is doing the same. He's not the first either.

[Niall_Quinn]

Schooled! Yeah.

Yeah, the manage decides where players play but it's not always the correct decision. We've said this in the past on numerous occasions. We can't keep playing square pegs in round holes and expect success. If you are going to now argue that Theo should just accept Wenger's judgement, then I'm saying that contradicts what's been said in the past about Wenger's tactical judgment. You say Theo is inconsistent and maybe that has something to do with him playing out wide in a new position. You can say fuck it, he has to do what he is told, but then we're in this constant loop that never gets resolved and you'll continue to bash players for being inconsistent.

Yeah, we know the Board pay what they want but they are quite happy to offer competitive wages to Wenger and Gazidis but won't do it for the playing staff. The money in football is obscene, but there is a benchmark an standard for certain players. Theo is an international with champions league experience. We don't know for sure what he's been offered or asking for, but he should probably earn roughly the same amount that an international with CL experience should earn. And you are right, he can move if he's not happy with the offer and it's not as if he's in the wrong with how he has behaved.

Schooled as in keeping you honest, I don't doubt your ability to make an intelligent argument but I just don't understand what this Theo thing is all about and why you would go to such extremes to protect your position.

I have already said I'd be delighted to be wrong, but you can't ignore that 100% track record of our board and the mercenaries kissing the badge. As for Wenger, it's his job to be right or wrong about the team selection. We, as fans, can slate him for it if we want. But the players need to accept it because they are taking cash not giving it out. If Theo wants to be a manager then he should do that instead.

And let's be clear. It's a damn sight easier to play the wide role than be the main man in the centre. If Theo can't master a walk in the park why do we give credibility to the idea he can suddenly jump two notches to the main role? Do we just assume it? Do we just take Theo at his word, when he hasn't exactly set the world alight with his play? Yeah, he can be effective - sometimes. He can be anonymous too. Maybe Wenger wants more than that from his front man. Granted, it makes no sense playing Gervinho in that case and it's understandable how Walcott and the fans can be frustrated about that. Which is why it's inexplicable that Theo is not in there pitching. Who's to say if he wasn't in dispute right now and was instead putting in the performances he wouldn't already be playing up top as an easy alternative to the ludicrous Gervinho?

Walcott can't stake a claim from the negotiating table, can he? He has to be on the pitch to do that.

He should sign. Get on the pitch. Grab what he wants through football instead of a cockroach agent. He was shaping up to be the exception to the rule. The young kid with talent and his feet on the ground. Now he's behaving like the perfect example of the rule. Let the agent do the talking and fuck the club, fuck the fans if he doesn't get his way. I'm not buying into that for a second.

I have no problem buying into Walcott if he gets on the pitch and shows us why he should be the main man though. Whining bastard gets the thumbs down from me. Committed player giving it 100% for the team will ALWAYS get my support. The latter is the bare minimum.

Yeah, Theo has played well for England twice and he's been rolled out to mixed effect in the CL on a regular basis (Thank You Arsenal - not Fuck You Arsenal, btw), we did indeed present him with many opportunities to shine. He's delivered a second tier return. Good enough for the big money? In the lunatic asylums in Manchester and Chavland, maybe. At Arsenal, dream on, we wouldn't even pay RvC the big money so Theo has zero chance. Surely he knows this? But then again, it's not about the money, is it Theo? Of course not.

I'm gutted still about RvC fucking us. Won't ever have an ounce of respect for a professional (as in WHORE) footballer again. I'll be indifferent if the hot and cold Walcott goes. But I'd like him to stay and deliver. He can't do that hiding behind his agent though. Has to be on the pitch to deliver. Wherever on the pitch that happens to be.

I'm a world class striker worth £100K myself, because I say so. That said, I'd play in goal if given the chance. Okay, so that's a joke but, like everyone, I am better than Gareth Barry and no that doesn't entitle me to £100K a week or even a decent fucking living wage a week it seems. It all depends on circumstances and right now Theo is trying to be a Man City player at Arsenal which is just dumb and unrealistic and yes, fucking greedy.

[Master Splinter]

I'm a world class striker worth £100K myself, because I say so. That said, I'd play in goal if given the chance. Okay, so that's a joke but, like everyone, I am better than Gareth Barry and no that doesn't entitle me to £100K a week or even a decent fucking living wage a week it seems. It all depends on circumstances and right now Theo is trying to be a Man City player at Arsenal which is just dumb and unrealistic and yes, fucking greedy
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N_Q .

[Kano]

Because from a distance, you're able to question the logic in some of Wenger's decisions. We do it all the time on here. Up close and with inside knowledge, I wouldn't be surprised if Theo is doing the same. He's not the first either.

you are missing my point. theo will be questioning things but what i have said throughout this conversation is that after 7 years working side by side, he will also have a lot more trust in wenger than anything else. he has had far more attention than any other of the youth projects (bar fabregas) and if theo thought that faith wasn't there, he wouldn't have waited until the last year of his contract to go. he'd be long off by now as question marks over wenger have been there for quite some time.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

N_Q .

Meade

[Power n Glory]

Schooled as in keeping you honest, I don't doubt your ability to make an intelligent argument but I just don't understand what this Theo thing is all about and why you would go to such extremes to protect your position.

I have already said I'd be delighted to be wrong, but you can't ignore that 100% track record of our board and the mercenaries kissing the badge. As for Wenger, it's his job to be right or wrong about the team selection. We, as fans, can slate him for it if we want. But the players need to accept it because they are taking cash not giving it out. If Theo wants to be a manager then he should do that instead.

And let's be clear. It's a damn sight easier to play the wide role than be the main man in the centre. If Theo can't master a walk in the park why do we give credibility to the idea he can suddenly jump two notches to the main role? Do we just assume it? Do we just take Theo at his word, when he hasn't exactly set the world alight with his play? Yeah, he can be effective - sometimes. He can be anonymous too. Maybe Wenger wants more than that from his front man. Granted, it makes no sense playing Gervinho in that case and it's understandable how Walcott and the fans can be frustrated about that. Which is why it's inexplicable that Theo is not in there pitching. Who's to say if he wasn't in dispute right now and was instead putting in the performances he wouldn't already be playing up top as an easy alternative to the ludicrous Gervinho?

Walcott can't stake a claim from the negotiating table, can he? He has to be on the pitch to do that.

He should sign. Get on the pitch. Grab what he wants through football instead of a cockroach agent. He was shaping up to be the exception to the rule. The young kid with talent and his feet on the ground. Now he's behaving like the perfect example of the rule. Let the agent do the talking and fuck the club, fuck the fans if he doesn't get his way. I'm not buying into that for a second.

I have no problem buying into Walcott if he gets on the pitch and shows us why he should be the main man though. Whining bastard gets the thumbs down from me. Committed player giving it 100% for the team will ALWAYS get my support. The latter is the bare minimum.

Yeah, Theo has played well for England twice and he's been rolled out to mixed effect in the CL on a regular basis (Thank You Arsenal - not Fuck You Arsenal, btw), we did indeed present him with many opportunities to shine. He's delivered a second tier return. Good enough for the big money? In the lunatic asylums in Manchester and Chavland, maybe. At Arsenal, dream on, we wouldn't even pay RvC the big money so Theo has zero chance. Surely he knows this? But then again, it's not about the money, is it Theo? Of course not.

I'm gutted still about RvC fucking us. Won't ever have an ounce of respect for a professional (as in WHORE) footballer again. I'll be indifferent if the hot and cold Walcott goes. But I'd like him to stay and deliver. He can't do that hiding behind his agent though. Has to be on the pitch to deliver. Wherever on the pitch that happens to be.

I'm a world class striker worth £100K myself, because I say so. That said, I'd play in goal if given the chance. Okay, so that's a joke but, like everyone, I am better than Gareth Barry and no that doesn't entitle me to £100K a week or even a decent fucking living wage a week it seems. It all depends on circumstances and right now Theo is trying to be a Man City player at Arsenal which is just dumb and unrealistic and yes, fucking greedy.

It's not just with Theo. If you check my history, you will that I've been upset with the way the club has handled dealings with RVP, Song, Nasri, Cesc...I'm just tired of them selling out all the time and selling off our players and for me, this is one of the biggest reasons why we can't win anything. There is no point in talking about the Board raping the club and then argue that the players shouldn't expect the industry standard when it comes to wages. Paying them below the standard when we're not winning trophies yet Wenger, Gazidis and Board members can get paid an amount that is line with there peers is nonsense. If we want to keep our players then we need to start offering a better cash incentive to stay. We don't know for certain if the reports of £100k are true but if it were it's hardly going to kill us. The club have to update their wage policy because we'll be having this same discussion with future players if they keep it up. You keep talking about greed but keep ignoring the above points I've just made. How are we going to progress if we don't update and outdated policy?

Also, so far we have had three players that have flat out refused to sign another deal with the club. They have done their time and it's a thanks but no thanks situation. Begrudge a player for trying to worm his way out a club be causing strife in the dressing and courting the attention of the big clubs, but when a player's has contract talks, he has a right to sign or not sign. They're within there rights to hold out for the best deal. Like it or not. Plus, the club should be willing to show how much they value a players service and it's obvious that they don't and will continue to do things on the cheap. I can't respect that and instead of constantly whining about the players, you have to look at the club and where their priorities lie.

And let's be clear. It's a damn sight easier to play the wide role than be the main man in the centre. If Theo can't master a walk in the park why do we give credibility to the idea he can suddenly jump two notches to the main role? Do we just assume it? Do we just take Theo at his word, when he hasn't exactly set the world alight with his play? Yeah, he can be effective - sometimes. He can be anonymous too. Maybe Wenger wants more than that from his front man. Granted, it makes no sense playing Gervinho in that case and it's understandable how Walcott and the fans can be frustrated about that. Which is why it's inexplicable that Theo is not in there pitching. Who's to say if he wasn't in dispute right now and was instead putting in the performances he wouldn't already be playing up top as an easy alternative to the ludicrous Gervinho?

That really is naive argument. Centreback is a harder position than wingback, so surely a centreback should be able to play that role easily right? It doesn't work like that. And this is the loop I keep talking about. You're asking for the sort of consistency that no other winger in our squad has delivered since we were winning titles. And he's still a kid. Nobody in our squad delivers a consistent performance in any position. So the expectation levels are way too high. Not even his peers that play out wide deliver at that level.

[Power n Glory]

you are missing my point. theo will be questioning things but what i have said throughout this conversation is that after 7 years working side by side, he will also have a lot more trust in wenger than anything else. he has had far more attention than any other of the youth projects (bar fabregas) and if theo thought that faith wasn't there, he wouldn't have waited until the last year of his contract to go. he'd be long off by now as question marks over wenger have been there for quite some time.

RVP ran down his contract and left under similar circumstances and he was with the club for 8 years. Cesc lost faith in Wenger too, Also, Theo makes a good point about Thierry Henry. He was playing as a striker at Theo's age so if Wenger is trying to follow that pattern, then shouldn't Theo get his shot? It's actually more respectful just to decline all contract offers rather than kick up a fuss half way through a deal. The frustration has probably been bubbling away for years but the sales of key players, bad seasons and empty promises have probably taken their toll.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

money.

if you gave him the 125k a week he wants he'd have signed long ago.

we offered 75k.

he said no.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

RVP ran down his contract and left under similar circumstances and he was with the club for 8 years. Cesc lost faith in Wenger too, Also, Theo makes a good point about Thierry Henry. He was playing as a striker at Theo's age so if Wenger is trying to follow that pattern, then shouldn't Theo get his shot? It's actually more respectful just to decline all contract offers rather than kick up a fuss half way through a deal. The frustration has probably been bubbling away for years but the sales of key players, bad seasons and empty promises have probably taken their toll.

Well if both lost faith with Wenger then they are very misleading with their comments about him now, both seem to love him. Cesc said he was leaving cause he wanted to go home did he not or was he lying. RvC was pissed of with the way he feels he was treated in the last few months, b.y the club.

If Theo was this unhappy a few years ago then its simple hand in a tranfer request and ak for a move. He did not seem to care a few years ago when you'd see him laughing and joking with the likes of Song, Eboue etc. If he was frustated then he did well to hide it.

[Power n Glory]

Well if both lost faith with Wenger then they are very misleading with their comments about him now, both seem to love him. Cesc said he was leaving cause he wanted to go home did he not or was he lying. RvC was pissed of with the way he feels he was treated in the last few months, buy the club.

If Theo was this unhappy a few years ago then its simple hand in a tranfer request and ak for a move. He did not seem to care a few years ago when you'd see him laughing and joking with the likes of Song, Eboue etc. If he was frustated then he did well to hide it.

That doesn't make sense at all.