When's the last time you've been this pessimistic before a game?

[Ollie the Optimist]

I won't feel any different if we won to be honest, we're not a great team and one win won't change that. I don't want to see one good win, I'd rather see us challenging for stuff. It seems to change other people's opinions but not mine, people were raving about our start but I always felt we'd come unstuck eventually and it didn't take too long. This team under the current setup doesn't have it in them to be up there with the big boys.

I don't really rate us and it's clear to me we lack quality in many areas.

lets put another hypothetical spin on this. if we win (i did say hypothetical) tomorrow, and beat spurs in two weeks time. it means we will have beaten liverpool away, united away, spurs at home, drawn away at the champions and lost to chelsea.

that puts us up there with the big boys in terms of playing them, we lose ground by failing to beat the small teams. what do you say to that? i know its hypothetical but if it happens, there is a chance (small i know) or even a draw at united. says a lot to me

[Olivier's xmas twist]

No you said we may as well not bother turning up, fair point, look what happened last season when we did, I'd rather give them the 3 points now personally.

Well if the team had your attitude id hope they never play again this season. Might as well ending now, infact might as well shut the club down and pull out of football all together.

[Özim]

lets put another hypothetical spin on this. if we win (i did say hypothetical) tomorrow, and beat spurs in two weeks time. it means we will have beaten liverpool away, united away, spurs at home, drawn away at the champions and lost to chelsea.

that puts us up there with the big boys in terms of playing them, we lose ground by failing to beat the small teams. what do you say to that? i know its hypothetical but if it happens, there is a chance (small i know) or even a draw at united. says a lot to me

Let's be honest here, Liverpool have got barely a striker and are sh*t at the moment.

Spurs are OK but I'm not a fan of Villas-Boas, I don't think he's much cop as he proved at Chelsea.

Man U are better but aren't the side they once were, they got a lucky win last weekend (and it was lucky), but the best two sides are clearly Chelsea and City, Ferguson is the only thing that sets them apart from rest of us, that and the fact they signed one of the best strikers in the league last summer. Their defence is appalling.

Even if we won both those games (and it's a big if), we'd screw it up, we always do, challenging isn't about winning the odd big game it's about consistency and building on good wins without bottling when times get tough.

[Özim]

Well if the team had your attitude id hope they never play again this season. Might as well ending now, infact might as well shut the club down and pull out of football all together.

They don't really give a sh*t so they're not far off, they never come out with any desire and real intent, when it matters most they rollover and get beaten, you can't believe in sh*t like that.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Let's be honest here, Liverpool have got barely a striker and are sh*t at the moment.

Spurs are OK but I'm not a fan of Villas-Boas, I don't think he's much cop as he proved at Chelsea.

Man U are better but aren't the side they once were, they got a lucky win last weekend (and it was lucky), but the best two sides are clearly Chelsea and City, Ferguson is the only thing that sets them apart from rest of us, that and the fact they signed one of the best strikers in the league last summer. Their defence is appalling.

Even if we won both those games (and it's a big if), we'd screw it up, we always, challenging isn't about winning the odd big game it's about consistency and building on good wins without bottling when times get tough.

Ollie never said we were challenging. We all know we are the best of the rest.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

They don't really give a sh*t so they're not far off, they never come out with any desire and real intent, when it matters most they rollover and get beaten, you can't believe in sh*t like that.

Theo Walcott Celebrating when he made it 6-5 in the CC shoed he cares very much. And he's not the only one.

The way the team Celebrated after we beat city, although a bit cringy, showed they care a hell of alot.

[Cripps_orig]

Theo Walcott Celebrating when he made it 6-5 in the CC shoed he cares very much. And he's not the only one.

We didnt play in the CC

[Özim]

Ollie never said we were challenging. We all know we are the best of the rest.

It doesn't put us up with the big boys then, we all know that if we played them in a must win match for both sides we'd come out on the losing side, better manager, better mentality, more desire and better players.

You can't win with so little going for you.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

We didnt play in the CC

COC then.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

It doesn't put us up with the big boys then, we all know that if we played them in a must win match for both sides we'd come out on the losing side, better manager, better mentality, more desire and better players.

You can't win with so little going for you.

Maybe.