When's the last time you've been this pessimistic before a game?

[Özim]

Theo Walcott Celebrating when he made it 6-5 in the CC shoed he cares very much. And he's not the only one.

The way the team Celebrated after we beat city, although a bit cringy, showed they care a hell of alot.

It was a good comeback after being 4-0 down, of course they're going to celebrate a lot, that doesn't happen very often.

They won't be too downbeat when we lose though, they can go back to their expensive homes, in their expensive cars, with their expensive wags and go eat out or go shopping for designer gear.

Even the kids who haven't played in the 1st team are driving around in performance cars.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Let's be honest here, Liverpool have got barely a striker and are sh*t at the moment.

Spurs are OK but I'm not a fan of Villas-Boas, I don't think he's much cop as he proved at Chelsea.

Man U are better but aren't the side they once were, they got a lucky win last weekend (and it was lucky), but the best two sides are clearly Chelsea and City, Ferguson is the only thing that sets them apart from rest of us, that and the fact they signed one of the best strikers in the league last summer. Their defence is appalling.

Even if we won both those games (and it's a big if), we'd screw it up, we always do, challenging isn't about winning the odd big game it's about consistency and building on good wins without bottling when times get tough.

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1. liverpool being shit - fair point, to me its still a big game because it is liverpool at anfield but lets move on

2. true, villas boas isnt the best, however he did manager to get a win at OT a few weeks ago. and imo, it never matters how spurs play before a derby, they always make it tough on the day so any win over them is a good won. just because it is the derby game

3. united, not great as they were once were but still a very good team. however, could ferguson be losing his touch? he failed to get them motivated enough against basel and they were knocked out the CL, and the fact they fucked up an 8 point lead over their rivals?

4. city and chelsea - yes they are streets ahead of us. wont be challenging them over a season but in a game, i think we can compete with them. hopefully the racism row will fuck chelsea up

[Olivier's xmas twist]

It was a good comeback after being 4-0 down, of course they're going to celebrate a lot, that doesn't happen very often.

They won't be too downbeat when we lose though, they can go back to their expensive homes, in their expensive cars, with their expensive wags and go eat out or go shopping for designer gear.

Like the modern they footballer then.

[Özim]

Like the modern they footballer then.

Yup, difference is ours seem to lack any desire whatsoever to succeed, at least at some of the other top teams a few players seem genuinely bothered by losses or failures to win.

I don't see any real desire in our team, defeat just seems to be one of those things for them. If you don't have desire you'll never win anything.

Sometimes that desire comes from within a player, when it doesn't it comes from the manager...sadly we don't have a manager who can motivate players to show that level of hunger on the pitch.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Yup, difference is ours seem to lack any desire whatsoever to succeed, at least at some of the other top teams a few players seem genuinely bothered by losses or failures to win.

I don't see any real desire in our team, defeat just seems to be one of those things for them. If you don't have desire you'll never win anything.

Sometimes that desire comes from within a player, when it doesn't it comes from the manager...sadly we don't have a manager who can motivate players to show that level of hunger on the pitch.

Thats why you have a Captain the lead the players on the pitch.

t least at some of the other top teams a few players seem genuinely bothered by losses or failures to win.

Whats to say ours don't. let me guess cause Santi came off laughing after that defeat he must not care. Our players Obviouly care about loosing hence why most keep leaving.

Football has changed at least 1 player has mates on the other teams, well least in the top games. So its understandable they be polite to them after a game, even if we have just lost.

[Özim]

Thats why you have a Captain the lead the players on the pitch.


Whats to say ours don't. let me guess cause Santi came off laughing after that defeat he must not care. Our players Obviouly care about loosing hence why most keep leaving.

Wenger doesn't believe in captains, we haven't had a decent on since Vieira to be honest.

Their performances on the pitch when it really matters, the way they disappear when the going gets tough, no stomach for the fight? When do you see our players closing down teams, chasing every ball and making the opposition work hard just to keep hold of the ball?

[Ollie the Optimist]

Yup, difference is ours seem to lack any desire whatsoever to succeed, at least at some of the other top teams a few players seem genuinely bothered by losses or failures to win.

I don't see any real desire in our team, defeat just seems to be one of those things for them. If you don't have desire you'll never win anything.

Sometimes that desire comes from within a player, when it doesn't it comes from the manager...sadly we don't have a manager who can motivate players to show that level of hunger on the pitch.

i disagree with this. we have some too, apparently santi was in bits after the loss to norwich. but do you think superstars like hazard at chelsea or aguero at city give a shit about losing?

very few players will care, with us, i can think of a few, arteta, jenkinson, jack with city, united, chelsea it will be jsut the same, one or two.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Wenger doesn't believe in captains, we haven't had a decent on since Vieira to be honest.

Their performances on the pitch when it really matters, the way they disappear when the going gets tough, no stomach for the fight? When do you see our players closing down teams, chasing every ball and making the opposition work hard just to keep hold of the ball?

Clearly Rubbish as Cesc and RVP were excellent. And led the team and motivated them well.

[Cripps_orig]

Clearly Rubbish as Cesc and RVP were excellent. And led the team and motivated them well.

[Marc Overmars]

Cesc wasn't a good captain. He was weak and could rarely lift the team when things went wrong.

RVC was good but he would have still carried us armband or not.