When's the last time you've been this pessimistic before a game?

[Letters]

The concept of a captain in football is massively overrated anyway. In rugby a captain has a purpose in organising scrums and lineouts and such. What does he do in football? Call the coin toss? Big whoop.

I don't agree. Adams was a great captain and I remember reading Dixon saying how before his first North London Derby Adams had him up against the wall ( ) making it very clear to him how important the game was. It's more than leading by example (which our recent captains have done), it's about leading the team on the pitch.
A for example was vs QPR, Santos' positional sense is all over the shop but I didn't once see Vermaelan yelling at him, telling him to sort himself out. I do think it's quite important and something which we've lacked at times in the last few years. When things aren't going well out there you need a strong captain to gee them up and sort it out.

That said, things like "Wenger doesn't believe in captains" and the idea that our players don't care about losing is pure Zimmshit.

[Özim]

That said, things like "Wenger doesn't believe in captains" and the idea that our players don't care about losing is pure Zimmshit.

That's plainly untrue, Wenger has actually been quoted as saying captains are not that important in his eyes, so please get your facts right.

As for players not caring about losing, well there's different degrees, some will be angry about it, others will just brush it off as another loss, our players seem to fall in the latter category IMO, you wouldn't have seen Adams and co laughing and happy after a defeat that's for sure!

[Cripps_orig]

Pretty much.

Players going out clubbing after a defeat etc

Real signs of caring

[Olivier's xmas twist]

you wouldn't have seen Adams and co laughing and happy after a defeat that's for sure!

Thats because football has changed. Not all footballers are the same. Some of the way players go down, you'd not see the old school players do that. You'd never see a Vinnie Jones Go down like he was hit by a tone of bricks.

The game has moved on. Players are diffrent. You even see Barca players smiling after they loose games. its just the way it is.

Poldoski, has been saying he wants to win trophies with us, before he got here and has been saying it ever since, im sure he is cut up when we lose.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Pretty much.

Players going out clubbing after a defeat etc

Real signs of caring

All players do it not just ours.

[GP]

All players fo it not just ours.

No.

Unless players jump off the roof after a defeat, they don't care.

[Letters]

Quoted? But you say everything he says is bullshit. When anyone else points to anything he says you dismiss it.
When it backs up your argument you use it.
Goalpost shifting, much?

We haven't had a great captain since Vieira but I doubt that's because Wenger doesn't think the role is important.
I'm sure for all his rhetoric he doesn't think our squad is good enough but he's not going to come out and say that, if we don't have a strong captain then better to underplay it than highlight it as a problem.

I don't expect our players to be slitting their wrists after defeats but they don't exactly look happy about it.
What are you criticising, that they might go out that evening and have a good time.
What are they supposed to do that evening, sit at home crying? Do you think players of other teams do that? I seriously doubt it.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

No.

Unless players jump off the roof after a defeat, they don't care.

True very true.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

I don't agree. Adams was a great captain and I remember reading Dixon saying how before his first North London Derby Adams had him up against the wall ( ) making it very clear to him how important the game was. It's more than leading by example (which our recent captains have done), it's about leading the team on the pitch.
A for example was vs QPR, Santos' positional sense is all over the shop but I didn't once see Vermaelan yelling at him, telling him to sort himself out. I do think it's quite important and something which we've lacked at times in the last few years. When things aren't going well out there you need a strong captain to gee them up and sort it out.

That said, things like "Wenger doesn't believe in captains" and the idea that our players don't care about losing is pure Zimmshit.

Problem is, Verms himself is a bit shit which makes it almost impossible for him to lead by example. He's probably cognizant of this and it possibly makes him think twice about barking at a total fuck up like Santos.

We need to select a player with some grit and determination combined with knowing what the fuck he's doing on the pitch, for the captains role. Sadly, we haven't had one since Vierra.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Quoted? But you say everything he says is bullshit. When anyone else points to anything he says you dismiss it.
When it backs up your argument you use it.
Goalpost shifting, much?

We haven't had a great captain since Vieira but I doubt that's because Wenger doesn't think the role is important.
I'm sure for all his rhetoric he doesn't think our squad is good enough but he's not going to come out and say that, if we don't have a strong captain then better to underplay it than highlight it as a problem.

I don't expect our players to be slitting their wrists after defeats but they don't exactly look happy about it.
What are you criticising, that they might go out that evening and have a good time.
What are they supposed to do that evening, sit at home crying? Do you think players of other teams do that? I seriously doubt it.

Don't worry if that was Chelsea players doing that, he'll be telling us how fine it is and what do you expect them to do cry etc.