Match reaction vs the Mancs

[Olivier's xmas twist]

two things can change that:

1. a complete change of players
2. a complete change of manager

our turnover rate since 2008 has been extraordinarily high, in fact only 1 of our players from OT last year started today (i think).

that tells us changing players wont help.

that leaves only 1 option.

Buy better players, then the ones we have.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Do you really think RVC should have been sent off???! That tackle was a clear yellow, you're never going to get a red for that. And he didn't kick the ball away "after" the whistle, there was hardly any gap between the offside call and the shot.

And Cleverly was given a warning, as did Jack for his tackle on RVC. We can't complain about the referee, we deserved to lose. If we don't accept that we'll never improve.

surely a yellow card is a warning though. im not saying jack shouldnt have gone, he should, however cleverlys was a bad tackle. a final warning should be the yellow card really but if you are going to warn a player after that, at least make sure its not when it is a stonewall yellow card foul.

and yes rvc shoud have gone for two yellows. it was a long gap imo. seen players booked for less.

however i haven't blamed the defeat at all on the ref. ive just said he was shit, he was, but i also said we were shit

[jelgoon]

He's not good enough anymore. Even if he was to be given £50million a season we wouldnt win anything. He is terrible now mentally and doesnt inspire the players at all. The difference between Wenger and Mourinho/Ferguson in terms of motivation and man-management is enormous. Wenger has been there too long - very few managers last that long and sadly those who do dont have a clue when to leave (as they feel they are invincible)

Is he not good enough or is he sucking the boards nuts and being their bum boy?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

He's not good enough anymore. Even if he was to be given £50million a season we wouldnt win anything. He is terrible now mentally and doesnt inspire the players at all. The difference between Wenger and Mourinho/Ferguson in terms of motivation and man-management is enormous. Wenger has been there too long - very few managers last that long and sadly those who do dont have a clue when to leave (as they feel they are invincible)

But people say if he wanted to he could have brought better players who could have won us stuff, so why the moaning if he does not spend big money if he is not good enough.

I here if he wanted to he could win the league, Or he is a loser he settles for 4th.

[GP]

surely a yellow card is a warning though. im not saying jack shouldnt have gone, he should, however cleverlys was a bad tackle. a final warning should be the yellow card really but if you are going to warn a player after that, at least make sure its not when it is a stonewall yellow card foul.

and yes rvc shoud have gone for two yellows. it was a long gap imo. seen players booked for less.

however i haven't blamed the defeat at all on the ref. ive just said he was shit, he was, but i also said we were shit

Yep. Referee doesn't give cards to Cleverley or RvC, then books Arshavin for his first tackle.

Officials were shocking and cost us a point.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

surely a yellow card is a warning though. im not saying jack shouldnt have gone, he should, however cleverlys was a bad tackle. a final warning should be the yellow card really but if you are going to warn a player after that, at least make sure its not when it is a stonewall yellow card foul.

and yes rvc shoud have gone for two yellows. it was a long gap imo. seen players booked for less.

however i haven't blamed the defeat at all on the ref. ive just said he was shit, he was, but i also said we were shit

Dean's a **** and we knew that before today, and we all expected crummy decisions from him, not a shock. We were poor today even if the scoreline says something else.

But hey time to put that behind us and on to wednesday i guess.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Yep. Referee doesn't give cards to Cleverley or RvC, then books Arshavin for his first tackle.

Officials were shocking and cost us a point.

i forget that they missed the offside that led to the second goal.

we were shit, we lost because of htat, however the ref didnt help. he was fucking awful. (stil we were worse)

[Özim]

Buy better players, then the ones we have.

The manager won't that's pretty clear.

[LDG]

He's a good manager. On the whole he does some fantastic things but also some ridiculous things - everyone knew Santos was going to get raped today. We had Jenkinson who did well at RB and Sagna could've played at LB and been much better. That was an obvious choice that would've benefited us but he doesn't see those type of things.

Wenger was a legend. Now I have lost all respect for him because he is not putting the club first. He is allowing himself to be the board's puppet. He can see the club being bled dry and he doesn't want to speak out because he's seemingly ok on his salary. You're right - we can't change anything. But Wenger can. He can do something. He chooses not to. And that is spineless.

Spot fucking on.

Look at the team I penciled in the match thread. Not saying I'm a football manager. Far from it. But Sagna LB and jenks RB was easy. Theo on the wing, Ramsey dropped. Easy.

Fergie? "stop them playing. Rooney, you follow Arteta all over the place. Carrick, don't give Cazorla a sniff. Congest Jack, as they have no width. We may not play well, but I'm sure we'll get a couple against that defence. Just be diciplined and your chance will come"

Wenger "we shall play our game. Do what tou do so nicely in training and enjoy yourselves"

Utter turd.

[Niall_Quinn]

No point analysing this game because it didn't involve us, we weren't in it. Walk in the park for Utd, they didn't get out of first gear. Should have been five or six but they were sloppy. A late and meaningless flourish from us made it look unreasonably respectable. Gulf in quality, tactics and desire between these teams. We can't be viewed as a serious football team if we let individuals like Santos wear the shirt.