Match reaction vs Schalke

[Olivier's xmas twist]

True but we'd rather lose later rather than in the next round which we will if we play a decent side.

Yeah your right i guess.

[Kano]

A fair point but we as Wenger so often likes to point out have been in the CL 47 million years in a row so we should be beating cannon fodder like this.

Fact is we arent. Its not only in the league we are a bit shit. Its also in the CL and we havent moved on at all to the next level in the CL level.

The fact every team in pot 2, 3 and 4 wanted Arsenal from Pot 1 speaks volumes of how we are seen in Europe

historically you'd be right about schalke but on current form (that has been improving year on year) they are a very good side. as they are right now i'd put them in a second tier ability and performance wise, so using the same way to judge arsenal, we'd be a third tier right now. we've been in the cl a very long time and should have a better standing in it but we don't, we've never risen above being second tier.

i think you would be right to say that teams in the knockout round would want to draw us given our history but i'm not sure its fact most teams wanted us in their group. regardless of what wenger or anyone else thinks about our qualifying record it means we would be seen as serious contenders to grab one of the spots in a group. given we were in the top section of teams everyone outside that would expect a struggle to get through if in our group - as we are seeing now. we're playing poorly and still holding second.

granted, we'll go out very quickly once out of the group, but thats not my point.

[Letters]

Any other team who has been in the CL as long as us would expect a comfortable 6 wins out of 6

Like Barca?

[Letters]

The fact every team in pot 2, 3 and 4 wanted Arsenal from Pot 1 speaks volumes of how we are seen in Europe

You can't argue with made up facts like that.

[Letters]

That's the problem though isn't it, you accept mediocrity

We finished 3rd last year. You need to look up mediocre.

We're looking poor at the moment. In the context of recent form, and Shalke beating us at our place, getting a point out there was a good result and one that you'd have taken before the game. We got one (admittedly letting a 2 goal lead slip which was disappointing - but at least we didn't go on to lose, in fact we might have won it at the death) and you moan your moany tits off

[Olivier's xmas twist]

You can't argue with made up facts like that.

Like Barca?

Just rememeber the wum your replying to