Match Reaction vs Fulham 10/11/12

[Mr. Lahey]

christ i cant believe that the best player on the field today is getting blasted like this. Giroud is a bottler for not even taking a shot? thats one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. going by this logic why would you want the bottler to take the shot when he has no bottle anyway

there is sooo much more to talk about than who took the penalty. Arteta is a senior player in the team and is known to take set pieces we dont know the pecking order as for as penalties so people need to stop with the ridiculous insults.

i would love to hear what Wenger says about today. ive got a hunch that he is going to mention the midweek champions league match as to why we let a 2 goal lead slip yet again. Everton looked the business again today with an arguably weaker side, we need to focus on why Wenger cannot get better results with a better side.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

And Giroud didn't considering he got us the 2nd and 3rd goal?

It's pretty harsh to shit on a player because he didn't disobey the manager to take penalty but has scored 2 goals for us already.

1st and 3rd goals, but i agree. Not sure why he is being called a bottler, he may have missed too.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Noone is going to deny a player a hattrick chance to be honest, not even the manager, it does take bottle to take the ball and say I'm going to take it sure, clearly he's not a player who is going to be there when the going gets tough.

He scored goals yes, but that's his job which up until now he's done badly, hopefully he'll kick on from here.

Yeah and if he had taken the pen and missed, you'd be calling him shite and saying how Arteta should have taken it, because he used to for everton.

Your being a bit our of Order on Giroud. He was MOTM for us today. Blame the guy who missed it. Like been said before sometimes you score them, sometimes you don't it happens.

Scoring that pen would have been papering over the cracks.

[Özim]

You're going out of your way to shit on Giroud. Arteta is the one that bottled it and he should be able to take penalties considering he must have a good average in training and past record with his former club. If Giroud would have missed there would have been no mercy on him.

Arteta didn't bottle it to be fair, he stood up and took the penalty....sure he missed it but that does happen with penalties.

How many players pass up the chance of a hattrick? At the end of the day Fulham have conceded 15 goals away so they're easy to score against so it's hardly a massive achievement to have scored against a defence as bad as ours.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

actually syn makes a good point.

i sat back today for the first time in my life and thought 'what really is the point in all this? what difference is arsenal winning today going to make? sure it'll fill the pockets of those at the top but the fans will keep getting mugged off'. not that i dont care because every football fan does, but its just pure stagnation now. nothing to make you jump out your seat or fill you with excitement. we're going nowhere. i feel like a liverpool fan last season. in fact we are the new liverpool.

[Özim]

Yeah and if he had taken the pen and missed, you'd be calling him shite and saying how Arteta should have taken it, because he used to for everton.

Your being a bit our of Order on Giroud. He was MOTM for us today. Blame the guy who missed it. Like been said before sometimes you score them, sometimes you don't it happens.

Scoring that pen would have been papering over the cracks.

I think he's shite end of, even after today....we should have signed a decent striker instead of this half arsed coward they call a striker

He had a good game today sure, but against a team who can't defend, he's missed an awful lot of easy chances for us this season to be fair.

As for papering over the cracks, well yeah we have been for years.

[Niall_Quinn]

i would've loved to hear a 3-0 victory with two goals from giroud. the expectation levels are getting ridiculous if the first point of contention is about someone who without we wouldn't even have a point - not even in a position to take three in the last minute. i couldn't care less how long our defence has been shocking, as long as it continues to be then that is the main worry facing the first team. we do not possess strikers with the same ability of those that have left but i'm not expecting them to have to save us because of the relentless fuck ups in defence. because this isn't just a one off, this is repeating again and again and no matter who we have up front, you can't rely on your strikers to bail you out of game your defence is fucking up. we all want passion and stories of new strikers scoring a hattrick, what fan doesn't. but he's on a hiding to hell if that is the level required because his team mates have no idea how to control a game. wengbot controls it all from the bench, everything set in stone before a ball is kicked. no matter how passionate giroud is, if he wants to be playing the next game he'll get in line and follow instructions. why the fuck else are we in these predicaments week after week? not because a striker won't score a third but because our manager has set it all out on football manger the night before.

That's what I said - somebody needs to sit down with Wenger and remind him of everything he seems to have forgotten about this game. But it won't happen. Neither will the defensive issues be corrected.

I think this is where we differ. You are still trying to suggest ways to reconfigure this club in a way that could produce a result. I'm saying - fuck them, I couldn't give a shit about that any more. That was how I felt and the start of the season and then I got sucked into all the BS again. But my initial instincts were dead right. There's nothing to fix here because it's thoroughly fucking broken and being run from top to bottom by people who want to fuck it up even more.

So I'm just going through the motions pining for a freak occurrence to puncture the monotony. Us fucking up. Been there, boring. New striker stepping up, proving the critics wrong, giving the crowd something to shout about. Like you say, killed stone dead before the idea can even take shape. Not Giroud's fault, not Arteta's fault. Not even Wenger's fault to be honest. He thinks he's doing the right thing and nobody who counts is willing to call him out for this turd of a product being served up. Not even the board's fault because they go about their merry way thinking by enriching themselves they are also benefiting the club. These fucking lunatics all think they are doing us a massive favour. Total fucking looney bin.

[RomfordPele]

My match reaction is 'meh'. But I think what's interesting is that if Arteta had put that penalty away, it would still be 'meh'.

Just waiting for the day the bubble bursts (the financial bubble...obviously we're in free fall on the pitch), everyone fucks off, we're in division 1, ticket prices are a tenner and on the pitch are shitter versions of Jenkinson's and Wilshere's. Only then will you not feel like a tit for giving a fuck about the Arsenal. My ETA is 8 years.

You know what that's the sanest and most charitable explanation for weng-idis's methods. AW thinks there's going to be an apocalyptic, credit-crunch style contraction in football revenues, the big investors withdraw, the talent largely moves to emerging markets in china. So build up a big cash reserve now, snap up the best the talent that stays behind, and voila - arsenal are the biggest and most powerful club in Europe.

Unfortunately, a.) as a theory, it's complete horseshit; b.) it's no excuse for being incompetent on and off the pitch, here and now; and c.) we're not going to benefit from the cash reserve as its going to go straight into kroenke's pocket when he sells up in a few years time.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

actually syn makes a good point.

i sat back today for the first time in my life and thought 'what really is the point in all this? what difference is arsenal winning today going to make? sure it'll fill the pockets of those at the top but the fans will keep getting mugged off'. not that i dont care because every football fan does, but its just pure stagnation now. nothing to make you jump out your seat or fill you with excitement. we're going nowhere. i feel like a liverpool fan last season. in fact we are the new liverpool.

This is why i never rushed to post in this thread, because its the same discussion every week, and im just sick of it tbh. For me i don't judge performances, i just look at results. And i say that i look at results, becuase Judging perfomances for me is silly with this sqaud who has no quality and i can accept it for what it is. Maybe this is a blessing in disguise so Wenger and Co will see how bad we have become.

I think he's shite end of, even after today....we should have signed a decent striker instead of this half arsed coward they call a striker

He had a good game today sure, but against a team who can't defend, he's missed an awful lot of easy chances for us this season to be fair.

So you think he is shite but think a shite player should have taken a pen

[Özim]

You know what that's the sanest and most charitable explanation for weng-idis's methods. AW thinks there's going to be an apocalyptic, credit-crunch style contraction in football revenues, the big investors withdraw, the talent largely moves to emerging markets in china. So build up a big cash reserve now, snap up the best the talent that stays behind, and voila - arsenal are the biggest and most powerful club in Europe.

Unfortunately, a.) as a theory, it's complete horseshit; b.) it's no excuse for being incompetent on and off the pitch, here and now; and c.) we're not going to benefit from the cash reserve as its going to go straight into kroenke's pocket when he sells up in a few years time.

and just to add to that Chelsea made a profit for the first time under the Russian:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/20270934

Bye bye Wenger, nice to have known you, don't forget to shut the door on your way out