Change we need.

[Alpha]

it's always horrible to be the last one left inside the bubble whilst everyone else gets a head start. i don't wanna be rude because you only want the best for the club as do the rest of us but....that shit ain't gonna happen. it's a pipedream. wenger is no longer the best. maybe the best respected but that is something completely different.

it's time for change. i hope when you're ready for it the ship hasn't already sailed.

I don't think anyone with sense would say Wenger is the Achilles heel of our team . The Board are . Wenger is just an employee . He has sacrificed many things for this team , even his pride . You can read through his face how his hurt when the team loses a game . We need to see the bigger picture and not let our emotions overrule our senses .

[Cripps_orig]

I don't think anyone with sense would say Wenger is the Achilles heel of our team . The Board are . Wenger is just an employee . He has sacrificed many things for this team , even his pride . You can read through his face how his hurt when the team loses a game . We need to see the bigger picture and not let our emotions overrule our senses .

Probably cos he doesnt get the win bonus

[Niall_Quinn]

I don't think anyone with sense would say Wenger is the Achilles heel of our team . The Board are . Wenger is just an employee . He has sacrificed many things for this team , even his pride . You can read through his face how his hurt when the team loses a game . We need to see the bigger picture and not let our emotions overrule our senses .

The thing is, when you sacrifice your pride for something you don't believe in then what does that make you?

[LDG]

I don't think anyone with sense would say Wenger is the Achilles heel of our team . The Board are . Wenger is just an employee . He has sacrificed many things for this team , even his pride . You can read through his face how his hurt when the team loses a game . We need to see the bigger picture and not let our emotions overrule our senses .

He looks hurt because his ego is having the shit kicked out of it.

Trouble is, his ego is the biggest thing at the club, and as such will take another 5 years dismantle....at least.

If we finish 15th (where he said he's walk). He'd find somewhere else to apportion the blame.

[Kano]

I don't think anyone with sense would say Wenger is the Achilles heel of our team . The Board are . Wenger is just an employee . He has sacrificed many things for this team , even his pride . You can read through his face how his hurt when the team loses a game . We need to see the bigger picture and not let our emotions overrule our senses .

i'm not sure i can see his face when he ignores the obvious flaws season after season. why defenders don't jump for a ball from a corner. why players are kept out of position etc etc.

you have a while, the boat is still filling up.

[Niall_Quinn]

He looks hurt because his ego is having the shit kicked out of it.

Trouble is, his ego is the biggest thing at the club, and as such will take another 5 years dismantle....at least.

If we finish 15th (where he said he's walk). He'd find somewhere else to apportion the blame.

He's safe, we're finishing 16th.

[Alpha]

He looks hurt because his ego is having the shit kicked out of it.

Trouble is, his ego is the biggest thing at the club, and as such will take another 5 years dismantle....at least.

If we finish 15th (where he said he's walk). He'd find somewhere else to apportion the blame.

Everyone can have an ego but for a successful team you need a board , manager , players and fans to work and stick together . For Arsenal point of view , I don't think we all have the same vision .

[LDG]

Everyone can have an ego but for a successful team you need a board , manager , players and fans to work and stick together . For Arsenal point of view , I don't think we all have the same vision .

No. I don't think we do!

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I don't think anyone with sense would say Wenger is the Achilles heel of our team . The Board are . Wenger is just an employee . He has sacrificed many things for this team , even his pride . You can read through his face how his hurt when the team loses a game . We need to see the bigger picture and not let our emotions overrule our senses .

Of the Club no - There all as bad as each other, none is blameless above the rest.

Of the team Yes he is, its his stubborn, deluded ways why we end up in situations where we are in. He gets his tactics wrong, he puts players on who should not be playing. He fucks himself over by not buying the quality cover needed. You can't blame the board for how toothless we have looked at times. Even with team, we should be beating Norwich and fulham and Sunderland at home.

Change is needed, the only way Wenger will change is if he gets an owner who basically won't take no BS or an owner who won't set his targets to 4th place. Maybe missing out on top 4 might prompt him to react better in the market next summer cause he'd want to get back into it.

End of the day the board ain't fecking off anytime soon, so Wenger has to go, not that anything will change much, well maybe on the pitch anyways.
What you can blame them for is not being ambtious money manking ****s. Who'd happily see our best players sold.

[Marc Overmars]

Let's not be so naive . We don't need to change the manager . We got one of the best and we may struggle to replace him once we let him go . We will know how good he is when he will turn his back on us .
In fact , what we need is a powerful centre back to complete Metersacker vision and intelligence . A strong and imposing defensive midfield to protect and drive the like of Carzola , Wishere and Arteta . A good winger who can cross and provide ammunition to Giroud to head the ball home . Another good striker to compete with Giroud . The rumor of Dzeko from City , if true , can be ideal .

How many times do we say things along this ilk though.

"Wenger is still the man for the job but he needs to do this that and the other to improve the team"

The fact we talk about it every year suggests nothing is actually being done. I can appreciate we don't have the same financial muscle as others but what I can't abide by is seeing our best players sold off every year. You have to wonder why a manager of Wengers supposed qualities and standing in the game gets stabbed in the back every year by guys who don't fancy playing for him anymore.

My feeling is that he's done. If the fans are frustrated by this never ending and predictable cycle of stagnation, then you have to assume the players also feel the same. The only difference is they can move on, we can't.