Change we need.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

are we as fans impatient for success from Arsenal or from wenger?

what i mean is, would a new manager be given a chance. if in two years time after a new manager, we still havnt won anything, and that makes it ten years trophyless will you accept it if we have a new manager, or are we wanting success straight away with a new manager and not give him a chance to settle in?

obviously we all want success, but i can see the crowd turning quickly if after 18 months we still arent competing. i dont think a new manager will be given that much time by the fans

It depends if a new manager is still doing the same methods as Aw and the club is still run the same, then people will moan, If he does something different and its not effective in 2 years people will moan as you know they will but i think he'd be given time.

Though if you look at liverpool etc, they don't seem to give their new managers a chance if they don't do well with in a certain time they want them out.

Wenger for me can win the CC if he wants too. And for me him winning that would be the best way for him to go and a new man come in, will it fix things no but hey its a start.

i dont think a new manager will be given that much time by the fans

The board won't give him much time either.

are we as fans impatient for success from Arsenal or from wenger?

Of course we are, i can't wait for that day we lift our next trophy and to see this board filled with excitement. To see all on here happy and getting along.

End of the day, we have no right to win trophies. However its about giving yourself that chance to win them. The reason i have been pissed of with Aw and the board is because since we have moved to this stadium, we have been good enough to win the fa cup and the League cup. We should have aimed for those till we got where we wanted to be.

[Alpha]

Alpha, Wenger is the achilles heel of the team, he's the one that trains them, he's the one that picks the team, he's the one that relies on crocked players each year to make up the basis of our first team...let alone squad, he's the one that sanctions the purchases and sales.

I was reading an article earlier on today about Moyes at Everton, so fair enough they don't finish 4th every year but Moyes has been handicapped by spending for a good few years now yet always seem to build competitive and fairly technical teams on pretty much a shoestring budget. Funnily enough, he was given some funds to spend this year and bingo, they are now top 4 and look good value for it.



Wenger's methods are flawed, his ideology is flawed and ego too big.



He's done and IMHO he is the PROBLEM.

Look...I accept we can't financially compete with the Big 3 but can't accept seeing reoccurring issues with certain aspects of the team, he's had enough time to sort them out and has failed.

Why should he be given more time to indulge in his failed "vanity project", what are you seeing that makes you think he is the right man to move us forward?

Selassie ,Wenger is the one we can see and blame . He is a kind of scapegoat and he has no choice but to accept it as it is part of his " contract " . But , believe me , behind him they lots of guy who are more to blame but sadly are not accountable to the fans or the public if you want .
David Moyes is a great manager but he can't handle Arsenal. He is good for a mid-table team . I remember back in the days when we used to run the show in the Premiership . Everton reached the top four once to the expense of Liverpool . They went to the champions League and you know exactly what happened .

[Cripps_orig]

Piers Morgan spot on about this on TalkSport

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Piers Morgan spot on about this on TalkSport

What did he say.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Piers Morgan spot on about this on TalkSport

he called for harry redknapp to replace wenger. this invalidates his opinion forever on Arsenal. he cares about his ego and getting attention.


funny i know someone similar

[GP]

he called for harry redknapp to replace wenger.

You're kidding?

[Ollie the Optimist]

You're kidding?

have no idea if he called for it today in that interview, but on his twitter account he did last week

[Maestro]

The thing is, when you sacrifice your pride for something you don't believe in then what does that make you?

A whore ....simples

[Xhaka Can’t]

You're kidding?

Sheringham could be his No. 2!

[Maestro]

Denver Nuggetts - NBA

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Denver Avalanche - NHL

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St Louis Rams - NFL

"1951 – Ed Thorp Memorial Trophy (NFL championship)
1979 – George Halas Trophy (NFC champion)
1999 – George Halas Trophy (NFC champion)
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2001 – George Halas Trophy (NFC champion)"

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Colarado Arsenal -BPL

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This Kroenke guy has interesting targets ...next up record of investment into the Kroenke Sports Enterprises, of which we are now part of.