is there a scenario for wenger to stay?

[Ollie the Optimist]

No he's done, tactically inept, unable to adapt, unable to spot and sort out problems areas in the team, too reliant on crocks season after season, too content with getting 4th and nothing else and has had chance after chance after chance.

It's over for him, there's no way back now, 7 years was much leeway, should have gone years ago and we'd be in a better place right now.

Ollie must be Wenger's illegitimate lovechild or something, I can't think of any other reason he sucks his c*ck everyday

if you read the post above yours, you will see i said its time for him to go.

[Ollie the Optimist]

It aint you annoying people, it is Wenger and the Board.

I applaud the loyalty you have shown, and if you have come round to the idea that the end of the road has been reached, it really is terminal.

i think part of the reason i am so loyal is because i only know Arsenal with wenger, and i think part of me is scared of something differet, unlike people like you who have seen change before etc. at the moment i think his time is up, however it wont stop me singing his name on saturday, or gennuinely being in awe of the man, he is an idol of mine. that wont ever change

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Agree with all that. Unfortunately I don't think Wenger going will be the end of our problems as IMO the board are far from blameless in all this and while they're still around I think it'll be a bumpy ride when Wenger goes. It might lead us to a better place long term though.

Oh no im not one of those deluded lot on here who think Wenger going means, we'd win trophies that season. Like NQ says. well its common sense really. Any manager coming in will be a puppet for this board. If the board leaves its a diffrent issue. While these lot are still around not much will change.

Maybe on the pitch maybe, depending on who'd brought in. Don't be shocked to see its Bould tbh can see that happening.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

if you read the post above yours, you will see i said its time for him to go.

Zimm just keeps on having those shockers. The new King of Cringe tbh, well was the old one too

[Xhaka Can’t]

i think part of the reason i am so loyal is because i only know Arsenal with wenger, and i think part of me is scared of something differet, unlike people like you who have seen change before etc. at the moment i think his time is up, however it wont stop me singing his name on saturday, or gennuinely being in awe of the man, he is an idol of mine. that wont ever change

I never thought of it like that - you only knowing Arsenal under Wenger.

While I'm sure his time is up - it was a while ago tbh, his early teams have provided me with the best football I've witnessed in my life. I hope to one day be boring the shit out of my grandchildren talking about the teams he put out. We were privileged to witness that - and to just be there, witnessing the Invincibles, I'll never forget that.

I'll always be grateful for what he has done, but his day has passed.

[Ollie the Optimist]

I never thought of it like that - you only knowing Arsenal under Wenger.

While I'm sure his time is up - it was a while ago tbh, his early teams have provided me with the best football I've witnessed in my life. I hope to one day be boring the shit out of my grandchildren talking about the teams he put out. We were privileged to witness that - and to just be there, witnessing the Invincibles, I'll never forget that.

I'll always be grateful for what he has done, but his day has passed.

its easy to forget that i only know one manager. same with united fans my age, they only know one manager.

his time is up, for you was a while ago, for me was this year thats a moot point. we can never forget what he has given us, cheering his departure will be a stupid thing to do, yes most of us will be glad for change, this club needs and while we are happy for change, i bet every single one of us will be gutted to see the back of wenger.

i will never forget what he has done, i will never forget the day i met him, one of my best experiences ever but above i wont forget the joy he gave me in watching his teams.

[Kano]

lets face the fact that we wont get a new manager till next summer at the earliest. is there a way you would like wenger to stay, or rather feel he deserves to stay based on what he does from now to end of season.

if he won the COC and thats it, should he stay or go?

if he won the cup double would that be good enough?

if he won the champions league?

if we put up a dam good fight from now to the end and lose in finals to the better team?

or is this it, he can go no further with us no matter what he does? these are scenarios, so lets not argue about wehter they can happen etc, just interested to see whether something would make you consider him staying.

unfortunately if he hasn't done it already none of the above will be happening this season.

it's best for everyone, including wenger, for him to leave at the end of the season.

thing is ollie, most fans are a little worried what will come next. some of us have seen before him and some, like yourself, haven't. but none of us have ever had a manager stay so long and take us through so many highs. so there is a huge grey area for all of us to come, used to sitting in the comfy 4th spot wenger zone and in that exclusive top four bracket.

but when things have taken a turn for the worse and nothing is on the horizon to change it, its time to give up the ghost and try something new before it really is too late.

[Marc Overmars]

It's not as cut and dry as us winning some silverware. I want to feel like we have a genuine challenge in us, which I don't think we have and haven't had for a long time. I don't want to go into games against tin pot opposition thinking there's every chance we'll stink the place out.

For me Wenger is done, only a dramatic turnaround will see my faith restored in him now, by dramatic I mean getting close to winning the league or CL, neither of which is likely to happen.

I don't get what he's trying to achieve with this team anymore, you can't just buy anyone and expect them to play in a certain way. Managment is about getting the best out of what you have and I don't think he's anywhere close to doing that. That is my biggest issue, he's so blinded by his philosophy he's lost sight of what he actually has at his disposal.

[Power n Glory]

I knew as soon as reality started to set in we'd get back to this sort of conversation. What pisses me off most now is that a lot of the people now complaining about our transfer policy and Wenger's stubborn ways were quite happy to advocate the sale of two of our best players this summer and buying into the bullshit hype machine. You guys need to check yourself!

[gooners]

What pisses me off most now is that a lot of the people now complaining about our transfer policy and Wenger's stubborn ways were quite happy to advocate the sale of two of our best players this summer and buying into the bullshit hype machine. You guys need to check yourself!

relax, was just a severe case of jilted lover syndrome