is there a scenario for wenger to stay?

[Power n Glory]

I wanted RvP to see out his contract and whatever he decided to do as a free agent was up to him - we may even have won something this season. But I don't recall a majority of posters here WANTING Van Persie to be sold - and to Manchester United at that.

But discussion on that is for a different thread I guess.

On this thread and others that have cropped up over the past few weeks. I did say we'd be back to square one when the shit hits the fan and we're struggling.

It's not just RVP. It's Song and it's Walcott.

In fact, with RVP, it's now pretty clear that the club didn't but Podolski and Giroud as additions but replacements. A lot of people were arguing against that and said RVP was out of order for saying we lacked ambition because we signed players. Now look. I won't say much more.

[Kano]

I knew as soon as reality started to set in we'd get back to this sort of conversation. What pisses me off most now is that a lot of the people now complaining about our transfer policy and Wenger's stubborn ways were quite happy to advocate the sale of two of our best players this summer and buying into the bullshit hype machine. You guys need to check yourself!

i actually think you are way out of step with most fans with this post. it really doesn't matter who was ahead of who when it came to giving up on wenger/the board because we are all here for one thing. i'm not sure when it was you realised things needed to drastically change but i can bet there was someone else who was ahead of you in thinking the same; when you realised, did you want to hear smugness from that other guy?

the divide driven between fans by wenger/board over the past 4/5 years is just as dangerous as the problems in the boardroom and on the pitch. but fans can't be blamed for sticking with wenger because none of us have seen anything like him during our time supporting arsenal and i don't mean in the sense of lauding him for success or any failures. the huge amount of affection toward wenger is not to be underestimated and for all of us it is a big step into the unknown. some are more eager for it and others more fearful but we all want the same thing at the end of the day and that's the only thing that matters especially when its the bad times like this.

[Xhaka Can’t]

On this thread and others that have cropped up over the past few weeks. I did say we'd be back to square one when the shit hits the fan and we're struggling.

It's not just RVP. It's Song and it's Walcott.

In fact, with RVP, it's now pretty clear that the club didn't but Podolski and Giroud as additions but replacements. A lot of people were arguing against that and said RVP was out of order for saying we lacked ambition because we signed players. Now look. I won't say much more.

It probably is worth starting a thread on it.

[Özim]

In fact, with RVP, it's now pretty clear that the club didn't but Podolski and Giroud as additions but replacements. A lot of people were arguing against that and said RVP was out of order for saying we lacked ambition because we signed players. Now look. I won't say much more.

Spot on, it was clear they were replacements...the club planned it all along, it's amazing fans turned on him claiming we were showing ambition...total BS.

I was gutted he moved as he was a great player, but I'm not surprised...as for moving to Man U, not ideal but then people always said moving to Man U would be a move for ambition......as soon as he does...they say he's going there for money....total hypocrites to be honest.

[gooners]

This is huge. Is there anyone left in the "Wenger in" brigade?

wenger, PHW, kroenke, gazidis and their coffers --- i.e. all those who matter

[Olivier's xmas twist]

A Thread that started so well turned to shit only on GW eh

[Niall_Quinn]

I knew as soon as reality started to set in we'd get back to this sort of conversation. What pisses me off most now is that a lot of the people now complaining about our transfer policy and Wenger's stubborn ways were quite happy to advocate the sale of two of our best players this summer and buying into the bullshit hype machine. You guys need to check yourself!

People were happy at the sale of RvC and Sung? Not many surely?

[Niall_Quinn]

This is huge. Is there anyone left in the "Wenger in" brigade?

Oh go on then, Wenger

[Niall_Quinn]

i actually think you are way out of step with most fans with this post. it really doesn't matter who was ahead of who when it came to giving up on wenger/the board because we are all here for one thing. i'm not sure when it was you realised things needed to drastically change but i can bet there was someone else who was ahead of you in thinking the same; when you realised, did you want to hear smugness from that other guy?

the divide driven between fans by wenger/board over the past 4/5 years is just as dangerous as the problems in the boardroom and on the pitch. but fans can't be blamed for sticking with wenger because none of us have seen anything like him during our time supporting arsenal and i don't mean in the sense of lauding him for success or any failures. the huge amount of affection toward wenger is not to be underestimated and for all of us it is a big step into the unknown. some are more eager for it and others more fearful but we all want the same thing at the end of the day and that's the only thing that matters especially when its the bad times like this.

Good posting and well said. If Wenger ends up going then let him go with thanks for what he delivered in his time here, and it wasn't just the football. His departure on the back of the last few years will surely be enough without fans rubbing it in and cheering him out the door.

[Power n Glory]

i actually think you are way out of step with most fans with this post. it really doesn't matter who was ahead of who when it came to giving up on wenger/the board because we are all here for one thing. i'm not sure when it was you realised things needed to drastically change but i can bet there was someone else who was ahead of you in thinking the same; when you realised, did you want to hear smugness from that other guy?

the divide driven between fans by wenger/board over the past 4/5 years is just as dangerous as the problems in the boardroom and on the pitch. but fans can't be blamed for sticking with wenger because none of us have seen anything like him during our time supporting arsenal and i don't mean in the sense of lauding him for success or any failures. the huge amount of affection toward wenger is not to be underestimated and for all of us it is a big step into the unknown. some are more eager for it and others more fearful but we all want the same thing at the end of the day and that's the only thing that matters especially when its the bad times like this.

To be honest, I don't care if I'm out of step with most fans. I'm pissed off and tired of having these sort of debates each season. It's a wake up call. We had the exact same discussions after Cesc and Nasri left and it's déjà vu. I'm pissed off with Wenger repeating the same steps, players repeating the same shitty performances and pissed off with the discussions on here too. We've still got people advocating the sale of our top goal scorer now! It was the same discussion with RVP and the same with Cesc. Fans deluding themselves into thinking we'd be better off or ok without them. Call it smugness if you like, but I don't care. I'm just pissed off because last season we had the same sort of in depth discussions. It's not just Wenger that's on a loop.