Not a bad idea. Anyone but Wenger to be fair.Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
Not a bad idea. Anyone but Wenger to be fair.
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He was a nobody 15 years ago and 10 years ago things were going well, as I said though how can you not question those achievements when he's managed to go 7 years without a trophy of any kind and shown tactcal naivety beyond belief, there's no other example I can remember of a supposedly top manager who just stopped winning at a top club for that long.
Bizarre why because I dislike a guy who gets paid vast amount and openly lies to the fans on the daily basis and yet for some odd reason still gets praise...I'd say that's more bizarre.
This whole situation is largely down to his incompetence and yet he's easily absolved of blame, you even had people feeling sorry for him at the AGM. The guy has a great life, loads of money, a job he can pretty much do anything in and no questions to answer....yeah I think I'll keep my sympathies for someone more deserving...someone who actually has a hard life and deserves credit for doing something meaningful for society.
He out of credit in my eyes and was quite a while ago.
Shucks.someone who actually has a hard life and deserves credit for doing something meaningful for society.
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why should we question his achievements. he won those cups, he won those league titles and he won the league unbeaten, why should we question those becuase we have been 7 years without wining? all ex players say it was down to him, you just have to listen to adams, dixon, parlour etc.
So did you instantly decide he should go 7 years ago? I didn't and can't see why anyone else would? If anything I reckon his first 2-4 years at the Emirates provided him with monumental tasks and he did incredibly well to keep us as good as we were during that period.
Where I have problems is what has happened subsequently - he failed to build on what really was a transition period, so in my mind he has failed only for the past 3 years or so, and it has been obvious for a while now that he is not going to be able to turn it around.
To say he has failed for seven years is not giving any thought to the environment he has been working in - both externally with the introduction of silly money and internally, managing a top team while the Club underwent the largest unassisted capital infrastructure project in the history of Club football anywhere in the world.
i agree, its been a three year failure for me instead of 7. no one would have said this owuld happen 7 years ago, 7 years ago we were in our first ever champions league final and we felt good about ourselves. the first year, wasnt a failure at the time. it looks like one now, no one said so at the time.
Anyone with a brain would have known the 1st 4 years at Emirates may not have delieved silverware. Hence why not loads were upset.
Even now people are not upset over not winning trophies, its more of why we have not been able too.
That dismal cup final victory was the start of the downward slide for me. Our philosophy was torn up that day and it was the first of many capitulations to come, even though we did a Liverpool on them and stole it.
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I started to see problems in 2006, that's where it begun and it grew from there...he should have gone several years ago IMO, he's had way too many chances.
He sold off players (top players) without any kind of proper planning, you can't just let players go without having someone in there to take their place and over the years he's repeated this time and time again, at the same time he put his faith in kids who never really looked capable of taking the mantle and had noone to learn from in any case.
The environment he's been working with is taken into consideration to an extent, but we sold players for a profit and I refuse to believe he couldn't have re-invested that, the problem when he did spend he spent it badly on cheap nobodies who failed to deliver (some of which we are lumbered with), he also enforced a wage policy which effectively crippled us in the transfer market when it comes to being competitive on the salary side.
The billionaires argument doesn't wash for me, simply because their have been players we could have signed in our budget who would have vastly improved the team, everytime however we've gone down the unknown route, this is typical Wenger wanting to prove the world wrong. Our lack of ambition has in the end meant our top players didn't want to stick around (which suits the club to a t).
And now 6 years down the line where are we? Still scrimping around for bargain basement buys to placate fans who have to watch the clubs best players leave....now to clubs who once were our fiercest rivals (something that would have been unthinkable 6 years ago).
True i'll leave it to GP and SWAYR.
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