What I like about Dein is he's a genuine football fan, the board are basically just money men who don't really give a damn how we do on the pitch as long as the money rolls in, we need someone with a genuine interest in the sport at least.
What I like about Dein is he's a genuine football fan, the board are basically just money men who don't really give a damn how we do on the pitch as long as the money rolls in, we need someone with a genuine interest in the sport at least.
I tend to agree. Rather an Arsenal lover makes mistakes than a corporate noone.Originally Posted by ItsMe
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I agree, he cared about the club, the history, the prestige, the success...he was given the boot because he had a different vision from the vultures who are presently at the helm. Its a shame really and we can pull up some old threads of fans vilifying this guy. Arsenal havent been the same since he left and we miss his leadership and passion BIG TIME IMO.
He was moving away from the club before he was booted though, touting himself around as the next chairman of the FA wasn't he? He may have been a fan but Dein was primarily concerned about Dein. He demonstrated it by has actions after he left. Then again, is there such a thing as a decent owner? On the scale of abomination maybe Dein doesn't rank top. But I think that's the best you can say about him really.
If the fans are putting in the lion's share of the money, isn't it time we introduced a system where the owners are kicked out and the fans run the show? There must be at least a dozen fans with a brain cell between them who could run a club. What's the big deal anyway? You hire a few lawyers, a few accountants, tell Arshavin to go on a diet, demand Walcott shuts the fuck up and sell Ramsey. It's not that hard really. And the millions saved could be put to good use on the pitch.
What could they do if 60,000 Gooners turned up, booted the door down and told them to fuck off? Even the army couldn't do anything about that, let alone the police. And the tell the FA to like it or they'll be next.
Sorry, just drifting away there, thinking of happy things.
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dein was a football fan. he breathed the sport.
i remember a story i read where dein persuaded wenger that you can't win the league without a world class keeper. the following week wenger met with the board and demanded we buy lehmann with the small budget we had. the rest is history.
my point is that dein pushed wenger to be successful. over the years those people left and control began growing in the hands of a bunch of tossers happy to let arsenal rot at a sub-standard level. even the death of fiszman fucked us over, he was the last real footballing man we had here. now he's gone there's no-one left. hill-wood is the one whispering in kroenke's ear and we know how much of a wanker he is.
PHW strikes me as a thick and out of touch ****, a dinosaur. Do you really think Kroenke has any interest in what that **** thinks or says? Surely he'll be eased out the door soon? Set away to some cigar club.
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i think they go hand in hand.
stan doesn't like to invest and hill-c*nt tells him the fans are being unfair, that we're a great club run the way we are, that we don't need too much investment and that 4th is a trophy. on top of that he tells stan that wenger is the best thing since sliced bread and that arsenal fans have become spoilt with 15 consecutive years of champions league football. we should be happy with what we have and that wenger is unsackable.
that's music to the ears of stan who wants to make as much money without putting too much in. that's why they're the best of friends, sharing cigars and sipping whiskey.
Lets be real Dein was no saint, he most probs would have made a bigger diffrence, but he had his faults. We were still giving poor wages even when he was here. Was he not the one who offered Cashley 60K a week and cashley got pissed off and left. No doubt Dein cared for the game, but just like the rest he was in it for himself.
Except the new money was Kroenke, which is what we have now. The positives Dein seemed to bring were his influence on Wenger, nothing to do with his grand plans for the club. Most of us seem to agree that we should be doing better with the resources at our disposal and that is the main bone of contention, not our lack of funds per se. It seems Dein was wrong in that sense, that we didn't need massive external investment, just smarter business/management decisions, and his isolating himself fucked us over there. Although, as TT said, we should have been able to replace Dein's business nous better than we have.
Also, thinking about this idea that Dein steered Wenger in the right direction on transfer matters, surely if Dein genuinely has Arsenal at heart and had great influence on Wenger and Wenger in turn great respect for him, even after he left he could still have been a positive influence on Wenger? If Wenger thought so highly of his opinion have they not remained in some contact?
They're pretty much best friends, I'm sure they discuss goings on at the club but there's nothing Dein can do in the way of getting his influence across. The mechanics of the club are different now at the top.
Ljungberg said: ‘One thing for me when I was there was David Dein, he moved between Arsene and the board to make sure there was money to buy new players and put pressure on the players that were there. I think there is a connection between when he disappeared and that we have not won a trophy.
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