Was losing Dein the problem?

[Mr. Lahey]

Lets be real Dein was no saint, he most probs would have made a bigger diffrence, but he had his faults. We were still giving poor wages even when he was here. Was he not the one who offered Cashley 60K a week and cashley got pissed off and left. No doubt Dein cared for the game, but just like the rest he was in it for himself.

Charlie/Niall, lets be honest here, we all have our own motives when it comes to business, money, our own welfare...there is nothing wrong with that. But unlike the bloodsuckers, this guy does care about the game and thats something our club misses greatly right now. There is nobody carrying on the Gunner tradition at the club, thats why I think it is important for the club to get guys like Bergkamp, Henry or whoever from that era, to come back in some capacity and bring back the passion of football to the club.

[cricketsi]

They're pretty much best friends, I'm sure they discuss goings on at the club but there's nothing Dein can do in the way of getting his influence across. The mechanics of the club are different now at the top.

So Wenger wants to make more signings/retain players but the board's the problem despite what they keep telling us? Or Dein can't influence Wenger into thinking we should be acting differently in the transfer market? Or Dein's feeding Arsene bad advice/doesn't see a problem?

[Marc Overmars]

So Wenger wants to make more signings/retain players but the board's the problem despite what they keep telling us? Or Dein can't influence Wenger into thinking we should be acting differently in the transfer market? Or Dein's feeding Arsene bad advice/doesn't see a problem?

Well that's it. To me there's no distinction anymore between board, CEO and manager.

They all sing from the same songsheet.

[Niall_Quinn]

Charlie/Niall, lets be honest here, we all have our own motives when it comes to business, money, our own welfare...there is nothing wrong with that. But unlike the bloodsuckers, this guy does care about the game and thats something our club misses greatly right now. There is nobody carrying on the Gunner tradition at the club, thats why I think it is important for the club to get guys like Bergkamp, Henry or whoever from that era, to come back in some capacity and bring back the passion of football to the club.

Is there anyone carrying on the traditions at any club? What are the traditions and do they have a dollar value,, because that's the real question in modern football. Yes of course we'll all take what advantage we can but most impose their own limits. You have to live on the street with your neighbours, you might not give a fuck about them in most respects but you don't set fire to their house so you get a better view from your window. There are more and more creatures in the game now that don't have these limits. Dein starts to look good by comparison but I wonder what anyone could do in the modern game to restore some equality. For me the fans will have to wait until the swarm has consumed everything and football loses its financial appeal. Then the swarm moves on and football picks up the pieces. Luckily all you need is a ball to play. Could Bergkamp do anything? What would he do when you have Kroenke and his goons sitting there with their five year plan and exit strategy?

[Mr. Lahey]

Is there anyone carrying on the traditions at any club? What are the traditions and do they have a dollar value,, because that's the real question in modern football. Yes of course we'll all take what advantage we can but most impose their own limits. You have to live on the street with your neighbours, you might not give a fuck about them in most respects but you don't set fire to their house so you get a better view from your window. There are more and more creatures in the game now that don't have these limits. Dein starts to look good by comparison but I wonder what anyone could do in the modern game to restore some equality. For me the fans will have to wait until the swarm has consumed everything and football loses its financial appeal. Then the swarm moves on and football picks up the pieces. Luckily all you need is a ball to play. Could Bergkamp do anything? What would he do when you have Kroenke and his goons sitting there with their five year plan and exit strategy?

gahh those are tough questions to answer. all i can give you is that regardless of how the board functions, at least someone like Bergkamp or TH14 can inspire players and educate them about how lucky they are playing football for a living and how lucky they are to put on the Arsenal shirt. It goes along with our ridiculous over 30 policy, we have all these young cats, with lots of potential but there is nobody teaching these guys. Who do they answer to? Wenger? lol.

[Niall_Quinn]

Theoretically I'd love to see Bergkamp here. But then again, I'd hate to see him walk out in front of the cameras and start congratulating the greedy bastards on the marvellous job they were doing. I like his legacy just the way it is.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Theoretically I'd love to see Bergkamp here. But then again, I'd hate to see him walk out in front of the cameras and start congratulating the greedy bastards on the marvellous job they were doing. I like his legacy just the way it is.

Agreed. No need to see him as anything other than my favourite Arsenal player.

Any mixture with these hybrid blood suckers and his legacy is forever tainted.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Agreed. No need to see him as anything other than my favourite Arsenal player.

Any mixture with these hybrid blood suckers and his legacy is forever tainted.

Which is what Wenger has allowed to happen to himself.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Theoretically I'd love to see Bergkamp here. But then again, I'd hate to see him walk out in front of the cameras and start congratulating the greedy bastards on the marvellous job they were doing. I like his legacy just the way it is.

Spot on

Is there anyone carrying on the traditions at any club? What are the traditions and do they have a dollar value,, because that's the real question in modern football. Yes of course we'll all take what advantage we can but most impose their own limits. You have to live on the street with your neighbours, you might not give a fuck about them in most respects but you don't set fire to their house so you get a better view from your window. There are more and more creatures in the game now that don't have these limits. Dein starts to look good by comparison but I wonder what anyone could do in the modern game to restore some equality. For me the fans will have to wait until the swarm has consumed everything and football loses its financial appeal. Then the swarm moves on and football picks up the pieces. Luckily all you need is a ball to play. Could Bergkamp do anything? What would he do when you have Kroenke and his goons sitting there with their five year plan and exit strategy?

Spot on.

Charlie/Niall, lets be honest here, we all have our own motives when it comes to business, money, our own welfare...there is nothing wrong with that. But unlike the bloodsuckers, this guy does care about the game and thats something our club misses greatly right now. There is nobody carrying on the Gunner tradition at the club, thats why I think it is important for the club to get guys like Bergkamp, Henry or whoever from that era, to come back in some capacity and bring back the passion of football to the club.

Im not questionning his motives to the game. Its true he loves the game. I just don't think he now he is as diffrent to the rest of them up there. It was dowm to him this model of not playing top wages started. with Ashley Cole. (not that its a bad thing). Even with here, we still have seen alot of talent out the club if they wanted bigger wages like Ashley. Lets not forget he was the one who brougt both Stan and Usmanov to the club look how thats worked out.

Your right when you say we need a Bergkamp type back at club. like chavs have Di Matteo. But like NQ said you don't want someone like that to come back to have his reputation tarnished.