What is stalling Theo??

[Power n Glory]

Eh? You're doing it again. If somebody doesn't agree with your argument you assume they are a board member or even Arsene Wenger. Where have I expressed concern for the balance sheet? Do you seriously think I'm against Walcott being allowed to dictate where he plays and being overpaid for average performance because I want to see a healthy balance sheet? Let me be clear. I want Walcott to shut his face, play where the manager tells him, put in a consistent season rather than the odd decent game every now and again. Why do I want that? Because that's the real world where everyone else lives. But true enough, in the insanity of football it does seem reality goes out the window. But that doesn't mean you can't say, oh look, reality has just flown out the window. No need to sympathise with somebody who has given just a handful of games to the club and now wants to be top of the tree, both in terms of deciding where he plays and also being paid more than superior talent.

It's not my business if Arsenal caves and Walcott forces his demands - as PHW says, thanks for all the interest in things that don't concern me. All I'm saying is Theo Walcott is a disloyal a greedy **** and I'm demonstrating why. Is he the only **** in football? Of course not. Does that mean he is not a **** then?

I don't get the bit about Pat Rice. All I know is he's an Arsenal man through and through. I'm sure he did get wound up from time to time, don't we all. But he's no Theo Walcott.

Don't you even listen to Walcott when he's being interviewed these days? He's sticking two fingers up at you.

NQ, think about what you're arguing for and where your focus is. Your shitting all over Theo's contribution even though he's top scorer now and has a decent amount of assist, he performed well last year and the year before that but you're still being ignorant. For anyone to talk down a player this badly but at the same time say he should stay and sign a contract is baffling and you need to get your arguments straight.

The same goes for your argument about the Board, greed in the game, our decline as a force in football...etc.

Eh? You're doing it again. If somebody doesn't agree with your argument you assume they are a board member or even Arsene Wenger.

I'm not making such points to simply cast you aside. You're arguments are overly concerned with value, money and whose getting fucked over financially and you're not sparing a thought for how this effects us on the pitch. The players in the squad can see what Walcott brings to the squad and if we sell him, it's a sucker punch and that shaky morale will be well and truly flawed if he leaves. If you don't rate him as a player, fine. Most players in the squad can see his worth and Giroud has already struck up a good partnership with him. All this talk about him being greedy, not worth the wages...etc...overly concerned with the financial side of things and you are thinking more in line with Wenger and the Board with that sort of talk.

I want Walcott to shut his face, play where the manager tells him, put in a consistent season rather than the odd decent game every now and again. Why do I want that? Because that's the real world where everyone else lives

That's not even the real world. Theo is within his rights to leave after his contract has expired. If I was doing fixed contract work and my term was about to expire, I'm under no obligation to sign a new deal if I'm unhappy with the terms. It's that simple. All this loyalty talk....why should the players be loyal to this club? There is no leadership and they sell out all the time. And you need to get your head around the market value!

I don't complain and moan about the direction of the club if you can't get your head around this. It's unbelievable that these sort of debates still continue after the past few years we've seen. Don't try to switch it as if the player is taking the piss either. He plays a great game in the derby again and you're still shitting all over him. Don't talk about loyalty and the duties of players if you're going to be so hypocritical.

[Power n Glory]

when it comes to the ****s that run the club, fuck em, call em out all you want. my point was about you pointing the finger toward other fans who, in a sense, have had their illusions shattered. its not a nice place to be, as i'm sure you've been there too. the last thing you want to hear when you come round to your senses is 'i told you so'.

fans 'buy' into the lies because of love of the club and hoping for a change to things, because they care. they will fight their corner against the 'doom-mongers' (jesus christ i hate that gay term) and the same will happen back, its all part of the nature at any given time. but let's not forget the real enemy sits high up in the boardroom of our club rather than next to us in the stadium or somewhere quoting a post of ours.

you talk of the games the board are playing with the club and conning everyone into thinking one thing before doing another but one thing we all need to be aware of is the divisive nature of their approach and the damage it can and will do to the all important bond shared between fans, especially through the tough times. by causing such a division it allows a middle ground for them to not only fool 'the gullible' but fuck with the so called smarter set of fans who think they are savvy to what is going on. playing both sides off each other creates the perfect grey area for more bs to be delivered to us all with absolutely none of us being any the wiser as to what is going on. i mean seriously, how many years were fans sitting around scratching their heads over whether there was money available or not? and where did that confusion come from? conflicting messages from the clubs management. and whilst we all sat and called each other ****s for believing one side over the other, who was sitting back laughing and continuing as they were?

i'm not here to police your posts or stop you 'calling fans out' but i think jumping onto people, who with the best of intentions, were wanting something positive to happen, is not helpful and creates a larger problem. i personally don't see what you get from it but you don't need me to tell you what to do. i just tell you what i think, as we all do here.

As said, I have no problem with debates about funds, the Board and Wenger that stems back 6 or 7 years. These sort of debates is what I'm picking at. I don't even think there is a benefit for the Board to see the fans divided in such a way either. There is no perfect grey area for them. They're not trying to divide fans, they're trying make spoil the image of players so they can justly sell them off with the fans approval. That's the bullshit they're trying to pull and I'm calling it because it plays right into their hands.

[Kano]

but they don't get full fan approval do they? they get a bunch of bickering fans either behind the player or calling him a ****? either saying the player is justified in looking elsewhere or that he is taking the piss.

so that means the board don't get the complete brunt of the situation. look at how long it has taken for noise to be made and even now, is it even really that loud? no really. thats because most fans can't figure out what the hell is going on, who is right, who is wrong. by creating confusion it enables you to carry on as normal whilst the other fuckers scramble about figuring out the pieces. by the time they do its too late and the culprits have moved on. that is what the board are doing. that is why we get these 'leaks' that theo or rvp or song or whoever is considering their options, or staying with the club.

all of this inhouse bickering and confusion is absolutely perfect for the board, they wouldn't want it any other way. misdirection. look at this, then look at this. then bang, its all fucking gone and no one has a clue.

[Power n Glory]

but they don't get full fan approval do they? they get a bunch of bickering fans either behind the player or calling him a ****? either saying the player is justified in looking elsewhere or that he is taking the piss.

so that means the board don't get the complete brunt of the situation. look at how long it has taken for noise to be made and even now, is it even really that loud? no really. thats because most fans can't figure out what the hell is going on, who is right, who is wrong. by creating confusion it enables you to carry on as normal whilst the other fuckers scramble about figuring out the pieces. by the time they do its too late and the culprits have moved on. that is what the board are doing. that is why we get these 'leaks' that theo or rvp or song or whoever is considering their options, or staying with the club.

all of this inhouse bickering and confusion is absolutely perfect for the board, they wouldn't want it any other way. misdirection. look at this, then look at this. then bang, its all fucking gone and no one has a clue.

That's what I've been arguing about and why I'm going back and forth with NQ so much but it's falling on deaf ears. I keep saying the focus shouldn't be on the player and this is exactly why I've sparked the debate again tonight. As fans, our main interest should be about keeping our best players. The fact that we keep failing to do that each year can't always be down to player greed. Well, not on the players part anyway.

[Niall_Quinn]

NQ, think about what you're arguing for and where your focus is. Your shitting all over Theo's contribution even though he's top scorer now and has a decent amount of assist, he performed well last year and the year before that but you're still being ignorant. For anyone to talk down a player this badly but at the same time say he should stay and sign a contract is baffling and you need to get your arguments straight.

The same goes for your argument about the Board, greed in the game, our decline as a force in football...etc.



I'm not making such points to simply cast you aside. You're arguments are overly concerned with value, money and whose getting fucked over financially and you're not sparing a thought for how this effects us on the pitch. The players in the squad can see what Walcott brings to the squad and if we sell him, it's a sucker punch and that shaky morale will be well and truly flawed if he leaves. If you don't rate him as a player, fine. Most players in the squad can see his worth and Giroud has already struck up a good partnership with him. All this talk about him being greedy, not worth the wages...etc...overly concerned with the financial side of things and you are thinking more in line with Wenger and the Board with that sort of talk.



That's not even the real world. Theo is within his rights to leave after his contract has expired. If I was doing fixed contract work and my term was about to expire, I'm under no obligation to sign a new deal if I'm unhappy with the terms. It's that simple. All this loyalty talk....why should the players be loyal to this club? There is no leadership and they sell out all the time. And you need to get your head around the market value!

I don't complain and moan about the direction of the club if you can't get your head around this. It's unbelievable that these sort of debates still continue after the past few years we've seen. Don't try to switch it as if the player is taking the piss either. He plays a great game in the derby again and you're still shitting all over him. Don't talk about loyalty and the duties of players if you're going to be so hypocritical.

I'm not getting it?

I didn't say I didn't rate Walcott. I said he was hugely over-rated and he is. You have this unerring ability to only see his (few) goals and assists but you miss everything else. The 9/10 crap crosses, the 9/10 poor decisions, 9/10 poor first touches. These influence the game too and it's the whole contribution that should be used to rate the player, not just the highlights. He's nowhere near as good as you have been trying to make out but this is being masked by the fact the quality has been sold out from under the team so Theo has floated to the surface.

He's our top scorer because anyone could be our top scorer quite frankly. We just got rid of the best striker in the country who we were totally reliant on and Wenger has been screwing around with selections and compensating for the usual injury list ever since. He's our top scorer because we're short up front and our striker has taken time to settle. It's all just random. No consistency in the results, the play, the defending or the scoring. One day we get a bag full, the next a blank. And Walcott was as bad as he was good in the NLD, as inconsistent as ever, again you need to look past the highlights.

I'm being realistic. Same with the last two seasons. When not injured or having operations he was as hot and cold as they come. Just go back over the match threads if you need the evidence. A significant percentage of the posts must be Theo Some of the match threads read, brilliant by Theo too. Not many though. This isn't me making shit up.

Even so, I'd be happy enough for him to sign a contract and play where he's told by the manager. Why not? No big deal either way. Like I said, we aren't talking about a RvC here.

But if he wants out then fuck him. Let him go. That's all I have been saying from the start. Where's the pay off chasing any of these ****s, begging them? I think we agree, they are 100% in it for themselves and if that's true it implies they couldn't give a toss about the club or the fans. There is no loyalty any more (there used to be by the way and don't let pragmatic convenience seekers tell you otherwise), we accept it. So why the calls to give him what he wants? We can pick up another Walcott fairly cheap and he'll do the same on and off job. Who's chasing Gervinho after all? Nobody. Walcott has the hype attached, Gervinho doesn't. But you get pretty much the same result on the pitch. Maddening inconsistency. No need to chase Walcott if he doesn't want to be here. No need to chase anyone if they don't want to be here and I say that from the perceptive of a fan and not some **** in the boardroom.

As for the longer term results on the pitch, we've talked about this over and over. There won't be any, not until the current mobsters running the place are gone, we get a new manager in and the whole philosophy of the club changes. Do you think hiking the wage bill and putting Theo in charge will change anything? I don't. There's nothing hypocritical in my stance. You get two ****s in a room and you call each of them a ****. What's hypocritical about that?

As for the reasonableness of Theo's approach to his contract, dream on. They love the contract of the common man when it suits them but drop the bits that don't fit their requirements. If we perform like shit in our jobs we can get sacked, can't we? Can you sack these players for being shit? Ask Chamakh and Squillaci. So don't give me the real world in football BS, it's nothing like the world you and I are subject to. They get the smooth with the smooth, there's not a patch of rough in sight. But they sure love all that talk about loyalty, don't they? And the chanting, and "the fans were great" speeches, we did it for the fans, let's kiss the badge. And I'm the hypocrite? Yeah, right.

This isn't even a Walcott specific thing. He's just the latest **** lining up to shit on the fans so let's talk about him too. I said the same about Sagna, if he wants out then fuck off. Shame to lose him but I don't think anyone should get down on their knees to give him the privilege of playing for Arsenal.

I get that some people now consider a lack of honour, disregard for anything but themselves and the whole game of football reduced to a vehicle for personal enrichment as, normal, and realistic and just one of those things and even admirable and understandable. I'm saying I have a different view on that. And I think a lot of other fans must have too or else why have they been plugging in every Saturday for most of their lives? If it was just about the football, just the "realities" of the game, we could all support a different team each week, couldn't we? It wouldn't matter because you'd still see a football being kicked around. But that's not what football is to the fans. It's more than that. A lot more. These are the things that don't even flicker across Theo Walcott's mind as he stamps his foot up and down. Do I applaud him for that? Nope. Does that mean I therefore support the club's position in this? Nope? Hate those ****s too. I just wish any of these parties would have an ounce of respect for the fans.

But they don't.

[Power n Glory]

I'm really tired and not going to debate the issue any further. I don't agree with what you're saying and we can leave it at that.

[Niall_Quinn]

but they don't get full fan approval do they? they get a bunch of bickering fans either behind the player or calling him a ****? either saying the player is justified in looking elsewhere or that he is taking the piss.

so that means the board don't get the complete brunt of the situation. look at how long it has taken for noise to be made and even now, is it even really that loud? no really. thats because most fans can't figure out what the hell is going on, who is right, who is wrong. by creating confusion it enables you to carry on as normal whilst the other fuckers scramble about figuring out the pieces. by the time they do its too late and the culprits have moved on. that is what the board are doing. that is why we get these 'leaks' that theo or rvp or song or whoever is considering their options, or staying with the club.

all of this inhouse bickering and confusion is absolutely perfect for the board, they wouldn't want it any other way. misdirection. look at this, then look at this. then bang, its all fucking gone and no one has a clue.

This is how it is ALWAYS done. Provided the perps calling the shots aren't the main brunt of the dissatisfaction of the guy in the street then any other target is highly desirable. That's what political parties are for, and religions. If you can get half the people to have a row with the other half then job done. I'm not saying the cocksuckers at Arsenal set out to do this but they wouldn't be crying in the champagne if it turned out that way.

[Niall_Quinn]

I'm really tired and not going to debate the issue any further. I don't agree with what you're saying and we can leave it at that.

There's always tomorrow. Have a kip an try again.

[Kano]

This is how it is ALWAYS done. Provided the perps calling the shots aren't the main brunt of the dissatisfaction of the guy in the street then any other target is highly desirable. That's what political parties are for, and religions. If you can get half the people to have a row with the other half then job done. I'm not saying the cocksuckers at Arsenal set out to do this but they wouldn't be crying in the champagne if it turned out that way.

i think we can safely say it has and continues to develop that way because if the noise of discontent gets louder, so will the infighting which muddies the water perfectly. its hard to believe that this was not the intention of the board as the continuing mixed messages on various issues keeps all of us jumping from one side of the fence to the other, when that divide shouldn't be there at all. as you say, its the way these sort of things are done. the approach has considerable legacy when it comes to 'us' and 'them' and it works everytime. until the economy crashes and we descend into flesh eating parasites under the dark cloud of the apocalypse, as a club we are stuck in billionaires row. once this lot are finished and sell up, we have to deal with who or whatever comes next. when the ffp shuts us inside the cosy confines of the money machine with all the other teams across europe, we'll always have value to buy into. the current lot are setting out a template that should be even easier to work in the not too distant future.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Theo Walcott is open to a move abroad and could sign a pre-contract agreement in January with any overseas club – a move which might concentrate the minds of Manchester City, Chelsea and Liverpool, who were all interested in buying the Arsenal forward during the summer. The forward, who is out of contract in the summer, cannot agree to join another Premier League side until the close season.

As the January transfer window approaches it is understood there have been inquiries from a number of clubs on the continent interested in securing Walcott's signature as contract negotiations with Arsenal continue to stall.

Walcott is keeping his options open and may yet sign a contract at the club if the two parties can agree on the terms. The priority for Walcott, who has had his starts under Arsène Wenger this season limited to only three in 12 league games, is to play regular football.

In total he has scored nine goals in 15 appearances for Arsenal this campaign, the latest coming in the 5-2 win over Tottenham Hotspur in Saturday's north London derby. Wenger said after the game that, if Walcott, now 23, does not agree a new deal, he would still not be sold, raising the prospect that he could leave Arsenal on a free transfer, having cost them £9.1m as a 16-year-old. Wenger added: "We continue [talks] in a positive way. We have until the end of December to sort this out."

City made a bid to take him to the Etihad Stadium during the August transfer window which Walcott gave serious consideration to before deciding to stay at Arsenal. Roberto Mancini remains an admirer and, if the City manager did decide to make another offer in January, both Walcott and Arsenal might be tempted, despite Wenger's stance.

Walcott, who earns £75,000 a week, wants closer to £100,000 to sign on again. City would have few issues matching those terms.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...l-theo-walcott