Exactly those wearing an Arsenal shirt today showed nothing. No passion, no ambition, no proffessionalism. Nothing.Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Exactly those wearing an Arsenal shirt today showed nothing. No passion, no ambition, no proffessionalism. Nothing.
mate, the players were tired from wednesday. In fact, they shouldn't have turned up today (shoulda been in their beds) --- but they did their best to show up and they tried; give them a break
I had some cheap rubbish version of Jager. Faker I think I will name it. Cider in addition to that.
Also, more importantly about tonight, I guess I could be rational and say that teams rarely win two away games in a row but it seems fairly unlikely we will able to win against even our perennial bunnies away in Everton.
Apologies for the lack of a name change. We are Gooners and this is the web, thus it will ever be Goonersweb. Even if we end up 8th.
So Wengers hands are tied by the board? Then why doesnt he freaking quit? U think SAF wouldve stayed if Glazers said no to all his demands? Well of course then you understand that AW is a money grabbing c*nt more interested in his 7 million a year and helping the boards agenda of more cash for the board. It's not like AW is a broke bastard either.. man's 60 something and makes more money in a year than all of us combined will make in our lifetime.
Wenger is not the victim, he is the main con man. The sooner he leaves, the better our club will be.
Now coming to a more important point.. you really think that the players we had out there today were worse than Villa's or even at their standard? I understand losing the odd game to Norwich, Fulham etc but to make no chances whatsoever is just downright criminal! Our CC squads from 07/08 with inferior players played so much more attractive football than what we are seeing now.. who is responsible for that? Board? If you say board, dont even bother replying!
Arsene Wenger, the only football manager that got paid 8 million quid to do nothing but sit on his arse..
I think your wrong because you have seen time and time again mangers leaving clubs for because of of the board selling their best players. They have a massive effect on decision making that goes against what managers want and just plain overrides there influence as leader. Although i am not defending Wenger at all(in fact i am pi*sed with him) I cant be blinded with ignorance to believe it's all his fault. The man has done some incredible things and i think some of the chants that was directed at him was disgraceful.
Random example:
I don't think Wenger wanted to sell Song, I think the board wanted to sell him. He never wanted to go even song was disappointing to leave. The board saw they could make a profit (my theory) so they sold him. Song was huge for us last season our second best player last season
Last edited by Aida; 25-11-2012 at 04:18 AM.
I just don't get this argument. He doesn't quit because he's the manager of the club. Being the manager does not automatically give him the right to dictate the financial affairs of the club. It wouldn't give him the right to dictate the financial affairs of any club. Redknapp, Benitez, Mancini, either sacked or on the verge because they want one thing but the owners want something else. Yes, they leave "by mutual consent" - code for being sacked. Name any manager that dictates the finances, or name the club that Wenger should quit and move to where he will have control of the finances. Apparently he's asking the board to pay Walcott more. How does this fit in with the general ideas of him being in complete control of the club or reluctant to spend? Isn't it enough to highlight his ongoing faults in terms of his actual role without making up shit about stuff he has no control over?So Wengers hands are tied by the board? Then why doesnt he freaking quit?
I agree with the poster above - complaining is one thing but abusing Wenger, calling him a ****, it's a miserable way to carry on. Just about everyone disagrees with him now but that doesn't eliminate what he did for the club in the past and for that alone he deserves respect, even if it's respectful disagreement.
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I'm not sure about your last sentence, but no matter, I'm more interested in your Klopp point as you are not the first to mention him. I'd far rather have Moyes, but to get him, assuming the Board had the remotest interest than winning off balance sheet, we'd have to move fast before United go in for him.
He may not be in control of the money but the Board depend on his word. He's involved with key decisions and I can't imagine him working any other way. RVP sat with Gazdis and Wenger to first discuss his future as an Arsenal player in the summer. From that initial meeting, it was decided that he'd be sold. That was Wenger's decision. He was involved with the whole process and various sources will confirm that, so it's very hard for anyone to try and suggest otherwise.
Fergie has said that he personally called Wenger to get the deal pushed through. Cesc said Wenger got him the move to Barca. I don't for a second believe that Wenger has no say in these matters and couldn't stop them if he kicked up a fuss. Just look at his reaction from the press conference when fans questioned his judgment. If the Board were undermining his judgement on players each year and telling him who he needs in the squad and who he doesn't, he'd hit the roof. Fact is, I think it's the reverse. Frustrated players are questioning Wenger and he hits the roof and sells them if they don't get in line. Wenger did say RVP was sold for footballing reasons and according to reports, RVP was making 'silly' demands regarding who we should sign and the next first team coach. Wenger wasn't having it and won't allow anyone to tell him what to do.
Check Podolski's public statement about wanting to play in the centre and then see Wenger's reaction. He's not going to grant Pod his wish anytime soon and Wenger practically fobbed him off and told him to work harder down the flanks because it's always hard for players physically in the first year. This may be true, but it's pure arrogance. Pires is one example he keeps pointing to but we also have Arshavin as a bad example. It's Wenger's way or the highway. He's too stubborn and will run a player into the ground before conceding a point. This financial fair play stuff and developing players is something he firmly believes in also. It's all linked. I don't think Gaz or PHW could sell any of our players without Wenger's consent.
You have to ask why Wenger froze Theo out of the team in the first place and why has it now taken him so long to ask for the Board to offer him a better deal. It all relates. Wenger's reluctance to give Theo games mirrors the stand offish approach we were adopting with his contract talks. If we finally get a deal pushed through now, then it fits into lot of what's been said on here.Apparently he's asking the board to pay Walcott more. How does this fit in with the general ideas of him being in complete control of the club or reluctant to spend? Isn't it enough to highlight his ongoing faults in terms of his actual role without making up shit about stuff he has no control over?
Arsenal are only at the level they are because of Wenger. People would do to remember that.
Yes, he should be making more of the resources he has at his disposal - we DO have more money than he spends, whether he doesn't spend it out of principle, looking longer term, downright delusion. Who knows?
But the fact remains he took Arsenal to a level they hadn't experienced since the 30s before he came.
Graham arguably laid some of the groundwork but his later sides were awful to watch and fairly mid-table.
I suggest people look at our history from from the 50s to the end of the 80s. We won fewer trophies in those 40 years than Wenger won in 8 years. This sense of entitlement we have is mostly because of Wenger. He has failed to maintain the level of the first half of his time with us but he's kept us up there in an era when billionaires have distorted the market and other clubs have spent big to try and break into the top 4 and failed. That shouldn't be dismissed as an achievement - neither should his failure to land a trophy despite being in a position to several times be overlooked.
It is probably time for him to move on now but I will never show him the disrespect that some on here do and I don't think him leaving is a magic bullet which will solve all our issues.
When boundaries between the Board and manager erode like this, what do you expect. NQ has no respect for the Board but many people see the Board and Wenger as one so Wenger won't be spared from the sort of disrespect PHW, Stan and Gazidis get on here. It's all well and good talking his history and respect but he's very much a part of the system that's robbing the fans. Saying he should be exempt from that is misguided and part of the reason why we're still stuttering. He sells the lie.
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