Match Reaction v Aston Villa

[Power n Glory]

anyone 'brave' enough to abuse them on an internet forum would no doubt be scared to death to so in real life. it's just sad.

That's not the issue because most if the fans chanting yesterday probably wouldn't say that to Wenger in a one on one. Most of the people abusing PHW, Gaz and Stan wouldn't dare say anything if thu had a one on one with them. It goes beyond the Internet. Mob mentality and strength in numbers.

But let's not pretend that we couldn't see this coming. Just watching Sunday Supplement and the pundits are quick to round on the fans in the first opening sentences but as they continue to discuss the problems they start to delve into the sort problems and frustrations that we've been having to deal with for years. Wenger knows there is only one way to silence disgruntled fans because he said it himself a couple of weeks back. The performance on match day is the only way to change things.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Arsenal are only at the level they are because of Wenger. People would do to remember that.

Yes, he should be making more of the resources he has at his disposal - we DO have more money than he spends, whether he doesn't spend it out of principle, looking longer term, downright delusion. Who knows?
But the fact remains he took Arsenal to a level they hadn't experienced since the 30s before he came.
Graham arguably laid some of the groundwork but his later sides were awful to watch and fairly mid-table.

I suggest people look at our history from from the 50s to the end of the 80s. We won fewer trophies in those 40 years than Wenger won in 8 years. This sense of entitlement we have is mostly because of Wenger. He has failed to maintain the level of the first half of his time with us but he's kept us up there in an era when billionaires have distorted the market and other clubs have spent big to try and break into the top 4 and failed. That shouldn't be dismissed as an achievement - neither should his failure to land a trophy despite being in a position to several times be overlooked.

It is probably time for him to move on now but I will never show him the disrespect that some on here do and I don't think him leaving is a magic bullet which will solve all our issues.

i get that but at what point do we say enough is enough? we're being milked for all our money and the team has degenerated into a pile of crap. we used to be in and around the title hunt until the later stages of the season but since the carling cup defeat we've been way off. that loss broke the camels back and wenger should have left. but he didnt and we're paying for it now. when is the last straw? does it really have to get to liverpool's situation before people open their eyes? because by then it will be too late.

for how long do we keep hoping an old dog learns new tricks? wenger got us into this position and we all thank him for that. we wouldnt be where we are without him, we get that, but for how long do we keep trudging along accepting everything the way it is? its not acceptable. we're living in a world where you need to stay competitive, my old man bleats on about it all the time. if you fall behind you wont be able to catch up anytime quick. just ask liverpool fans. there's no love for the modest and no sympathy for the losers. it's all about success and we should be moving forward but we're not. we're being constantly lied to by the board and the manager, and in the same process, are being told we cant even question the manager. how is that fair? who exactly is wenger accountable to? because gazidis stood up at last year's AGM and said it was the fans but when the fans speak up we're told to quieten down. where's the consistency?

instead of providing answers we're being insulted. wenger says he has been in the game for 30 years and that he doesnt have to justify his decisions. id counter that and say over the past 30 years ive never seen a manager earn so much money when he has so many flaws.

we all want the best for the club and i think we're all starting to realise its without wenger. i said it earlier and ill say it again, deep down in your heart of hearts, you me and everybody knows we aren't winning anything with wenger in charge. not one more trophy. now you can point to chelsea winning the champions league last year but they had someone who employed a bit of common sense. we dont even have that.

whilst ach exaggerates when he says the genuine gooners will celebrate when wenger leaves, i think it shows how far wenger has fallen. ill shed a tear when he leaves but its not because im sorry he left, its because im sorry it ended up like this. i know one thing and thats when wenger finally leaves it will be relief. it may not be rosy for a while but how can it be worse? we aren't even playing players in the natural positions. in fact we aren't even playing attractive football anymore which was our king pin for so many years. a new manager gives us hope, a new vision and will get more support. the only downfall is that i dont trust those tossers on the board to get in the right man. but thats for another debate.

i used to defend wenger but with every week that passes it becomes less of a problem with board and finances and more of a problem with tactics and squad. that is down to wenger. he gets paid £7m a year and instills the wrong tactics. that isnt acceptable. its basic.

[Power n Glory]

How and when will he leave? That's the question.

If he stays this course, I think he's going to do the club and fans some serious damage internally. We've touched on it briefly, issues regarding divided fans and factions, but we're only just seeing the start of it. It can get a lot worse if someone within the club doesn't get to grips with what's happening. The frustration is boiling over and when you get that sort of reaction from the fans, we're going to get pundits and some fans calling for respect and saying we're out of order as seen on Sunday Supplement. But how else is this going to end if Wenger doesn't gracefully bow out?

It's only going to get worse and the fans are going to come out looking terrible. As said, Wenger will fall on his own sword and I fear the fans will have to push him before he walks. Reading his post game reaction...I get the impression he'll quit out of protest or feeling personally insulted and embarrassed. That's not the way for him to go and as much as that makes him look bad it will reflect badly on us because he's got history here. But he has to read the signs or someone up on the board has to make some decisive decisions because this situation could explode and turn into a real painful memory for everyone. The Invincible era stuff has been long forgotten by many that's why there is so much disrespect and anger. It's be covered over in the bullshit seen over the last 7 years.

[Kano]

he'll still be here when the ffp kicks in.

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

leave him alone.

i like the current crop of newbies.

josh apologised the other day and now this guy bows out gracefully.

is goonersweb turning for the better? i'd say we're 2% away. still in the waiting period.

Newbie??Isn't he the same Notwist we had in old Gweb- you might finally be wrong about something

[Power n Glory]

he'll still be here when the ffp kicks in.

Do you think that will change much? We didn't struggle to beat a team with more resources than us yesterday. Villa were in the relegation zone.

[GP]

Arsenal are only at the level they are because of Wenger. People would do to remember that.

Yes, he should be making more of the resources he has at his disposal - we DO have more money than he spends, whether he doesn't spend it out of principle, looking longer term, downright delusion. Who knows?
But the fact remains he took Arsenal to a level they hadn't experienced since the 30s before he came.
Graham arguably laid some of the groundwork but his later sides were awful to watch and fairly mid-table.

I suggest people look at our history from from the 50s to the end of the 80s. We won fewer trophies in those 40 years than Wenger won in 8 years. This sense of entitlement we have is mostly because of Wenger. He has failed to maintain the level of the first half of his time with us but he's kept us up there in an era when billionaires have distorted the market and other clubs have spent big to try and break into the top 4 and failed. That shouldn't be dismissed as an achievement - neither should his failure to land a trophy despite being in a position to several times be overlooked.

It is probably time for him to move on now but I will never show him the disrespect that some on here do and I don't think him leaving is a magic bullet which will solve all our issues.

Spot on.

Anyone who disrespects the man doesn't deserve to have their own opinions respected.

The cunts.

[Kano]

Do you think that will change much? We didn't struggle to beat a team with more resources than us yesterday. Villa were in the relegation zone.

we'll be a top 6 club by then, still clinging on to the never ending ffp dream.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

How and when will he leave? That's the question.

If he stays this course, I think he's going to do the club and fans some serious damage internally. We've touched on it briefly, issues regarding divided fans and factions, but we're only just seeing the start of it. It can get a lot worse if someone within the club doesn't get to grips with what's happening. The frustration is boiling over and when you get that sort of reaction from the fans, we're going to get pundits and some fans calling for respect and saying we're out of order as seen on Sunday Supplement. But how else is this going to end if Wenger doesn't gracefully bow out?

It's only going to get worse and the fans are going to come out looking terrible. As said, Wenger will fall on his own sword and I fear the fans will have to push him before he walks. Reading his post game reaction...I get the impression he'll quit out of protest or feeling personally insulted and embarrassed. That's not the way for him to go and as much as that makes him look bad it will reflect badly on us because he's got history here. But he has to read the signs or someone up on the board has to make some decisive decisions because this situation could explode and turn into a real painful memory for everyone. The Invincible era stuff has been long forgotten by many that's why there is so much disrespect and anger. It's be covered over in the bullshit seen over the last 7 years.

he wont leave. wenger bangs on about being loyal to every contract he's had. why would he leave. he's earning top money and got complete control at a club, something very rare these days. ill give him some serious props if he walked away because its whats best for the club but he wont. he's gonna milk and exhaust this reign just like he's exhausted everything else he's done for the past 7 years. even when he leaves do you really trust those mobs on the board to appoint the right man. fat chance. they'll want to keep their roi going and wont jeopardise that with a pep. pep spent something like 150m euros during his reign at barca so you can forget about him. he has the opportunity to turn chelsea into another barcelona with the backing of a blank chequed madman. he'll go there, earn a fortune and win a serious amount of trophies. the only thing we have going for us is class and history but as you say, by the time wenger leaves, the former might be extinct.

[gooners]

Phw has also been in charge of the club for decades -- he was here before wenger came in; in fact he was chair of the board that installed wenger.

So anybody that disrespects PHW (on an internet forum or at matches) doesn't deserve to be taken seriously; does that work?