So im not allowed to like his Posts?Originally Posted by Globalgunner
So im not allowed to like his Posts?
This thread is an absolute mess.
The next match reaction thread will be that - a match reaction thread to discuss the match. There are already many threads to accommodate the majority of discussions about Board/Manager/which GWer is a ****, etc.
Just allow the conversation to flow. Our results are predictable along with the peformances. This is the match reaction.
TBH you'd be better off keeping this one if we lose, just change the title Thread. Will be all the same stuff anyways. it will save people time.
Pretty much, it's about getting people posting not necessarily sticking to the one subject in hand IMO, otherwise threads like this would soon be redundant. It's all reaction to what happens in the match at the end of the day and what's behind the performance.
Not much discussion needed tbf.
Thank you for your interest in our affairs.
Exactly, some people misrepresent the position of people who want Wenger out, and paint us as spoilt and with a sense of entitlement. The lack of trophies are a consequence of the main problems at the club, namely the lack of investment in the squad, poor decision making by the manager, and this general contentment with being also-rans, satisfied with balancing the books on the back of UCL revenue, but never aspiring to reach the next level. No one thinks that if Wenger left we'd immediately have success, but the whole mentality does need a shake-up, so that football comes first and foremost rather than the balance sheet. Of course, I appreciate that the board are equally guilty in our decline as well, but as others have said, there is no huge conflict going on between Wenger and the board, numerous statements have shown that they are completely in agreement. I remember a few years back, in the AGM, Wenger suggested that shareholders have nothing to complain about because the value of shares have gone up so much. If he really was in extreme tension with the board, he wouldn't have come out with statements like this. For example, look at what he said in the 2008 AGM:
The guy is an economics graduate, and given his comments opposing for example the 50% tax rate, he's not someone who's "one of us", he's totally comfortable with people like PHW and Kroenke, because his economic liberal ideology suits the board's objectives perfectly.ARSENE WENGER has told Arsenal fans to back his kids instead of moaning about their lack of success.
He used yesterday’s AGM to hit back at complaints that his team are not competing with Chelsea and Manchester United for top honours.
The French boss told shareholders: “You are all very quiet today. It reminds me of Saturday’s game at the Emirates.
“I am very proud of this team but at the moment I don’t believe we are getting the support we deserve.
“I understand you were all very disappointed we did not win the Premier League last season after we led the table for so long.
“But you have to be intelligent and instead of showing resentment you have to be behind the team more than ever. This team needs a strong guide to go through a difficult period. The younger the players are, the more support they need.”
Wenger faced questions about the club’s failure to win a trophy since the 2005 FA Cup and the lack of major investment in new signings.
And for the first time in his 12-year reign he criticised the supporters. pointing out that they have never had it so good.
He said: “When I came to Arsenal shares were worth about £400. Now they are worth more than £7,000. That is because we are consistently well managed and moving forward.
“I am such an optimist and I would like you to cheer up and share my optimism. You have to be positive when you go to Istanbul and win 5-2 when the oldest member of your midfield is only 21.
“We are one of only four teams in Europe who have been in the Champions League for 10 consecutive years.
“We have also created a culture of football which means we are respected and admired throughout the world and play as a team rather than as a collection of individuals.
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“Maybe we are not always as ruthless as we can be but if you look at the top scoring teams over the past 10 years, you will always find Arsenal in the top two.”
Wenger also revealed £7million striker Eduardo would be back in three weeks’ time after breaking his leg in February. He added: “This team is very close to delivering and I want them to do it this year, not the next.”
Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...#ixzz2DGMgmudc
You clearly don't know much about either BVB, Football or the outside world; just wish I had known this a while earlier and if had, I wouldn't have even bothered.Who said it is a dick measuring competition
I look at both clubs and Dortmund has bigger crowd, lesser debt, few European medals, shit load of domestic medals and they don't have small club mentality like Arsenal. So, Dortmund is the bigger club then.. and your argument is you have seen them since 80/90s doesn't mean jack shit. Unless if you have fact, then stop wasting my time.
For the sake of others reading our exchange, Dortmund is a regional power house at best- one of the biggest clubs in Germany but clearly no match for the national heavyweight that is Bayern. Since the 90's (when there resurgence started) I've always had a strong affiliation to them, they always had a lovely style of play and produced and had wonderful talents like Chapuisat, Moller and one of my favourite brazillians (because he could actually defend) Julio Cesar. I stopped following them by the early 2000s but still hold a soft spot for them and I'm happy they're relevant again.
Yes they currently have the highest average attendance in Europe but guess what- build a 90000 seater in Tyneside and Newcastle would fill it too. Any true Dortmund fan would not begrudge me comparing their team to Newcastle because of similarities in them being regional heavyweighters and their quite loyaly fanatic fans. Also their derbys with Schalke mirrors the Tyne v Wear clashes we have up here. But Dortmund is deservedly a far more prestigious team, but prestige does not equal size.
Anway despite all that, we are the bigger club in almost every important ramification. Nationally we have more Arsenal fans in the UK than they have Dortmund fans in Germany. Internationally it is no contest. In the 1930's we were already boasting of 70000 plus coming to see our matches while they were still struggling to get anyone interested in them. Revenue wise we are considerbaly bigger. In my own personal travels to every continent except South America and the ones full of Ice- I have seen Arsenal jersey's everywhere- I have never seen a Dortmund jersey out of Europe- except once or twice in Africa ages ago. And BTW anyone who has been to Brazil knows that Arsenal jerseys are littered in the big cities.
So again what is your point? Is it the stadium, because it only gets 80000 because it has standing capacity something a lot of gooners would welcome if we were allowed in this country. Oh, or is it the fact they have done better in Europe than us, yeah that makes sense. Forest and Villa must be titans world wide- infact I'm guessing Klopp would refuse Arsenal because he has the burning desire to be the man that wins the 3rd European title for Forest so they can equal Man U and still claim to be the second most successful side in the country- idiot.
Note:You were the one who responded to my fact that Dortmund is a smaller club than Arsenal, so put up or shut up.
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So a 4 year old article has to do with?
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