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    The Arsenal the fans want back is the upwardly mobile team of the late and early turn of century. The team that played for us in the years 96=2004 was dynamic, tough, athletic and overall fearless. This was a Wenger made team but essentially not made entirely in his image. It was also not without its flaws too. However the core of Englishness made it strong and moreover, they hated defeat. This is a team that went to OT and expected to win. Not anymore. Norwich and Wigan approach these games with a better mindset than we do. I blame Fergie for this, his ability to install a greater warrior spirit in even his average teams finally broke Wengers spirit in 2005 with the famous defeat at Highbury noted for the pre-game flare-up between Vieira and Keane. In that game we went for it and ended up thoroughly embarrassed at home. this led to the utterly coward display we gave at the FA cup final that year. In his mind Wenger realised he couldnt beat Fergie in a battle of wills, simply because SAF trains his soldiers better for war. It has been the same ever since and our teams have progressively lost their willpower ever since. Since then Wenger has eschewed signing big personalities for more malleable types...his so called youth project. He has gone down that road and still ended up with nothing to show for it

    We are now left with a man at his wits end but who will not acknowledge it to himself or anyone outside and who now replaces deep thinking with effusive bursts of pique. He is trapped in a well cash padded prison of his own making. He will indulge himself in it for as long as he is not called out from his reverie.

    Why should we not expect more when we pay the highest match day costs in the whole of human existence, with the 4th highest wage bill and 5th highest turnover worldwide. previously the mantra was Arsenal always come 1st or 2nd. Now we have changed it to 4th at worst, what next?. Europa cup dreams?. This is not to detract from what Wenger has achieved but why should we go against the grain of human existence for always striving for better days and decide that these good times are now part of our history, Do our fortunes rise and wane with our current manager`s abilities.

    Will someone tell Manunited fans that the real united is the one that went 25 years without the title or Liverpool that 7 CL titles is all written in their destiny. Somehow we have created a parallel reality for our Wengerworld, one where failure is really a mini victory cast in bad light. Where instead of football what we are really engaged in is an expensive game of musical chairs where we have to accept that in reality WE are the hapless dancer that is likely to be left without a seat. This would have been palatable if some finacial tsunami had befallen us like Leeds or Portsmouth where stark reality has no counter argument, but our finances are strong and viable yet our football prospects have nosedived. Enough of this self emposed defeatism please. We can do better...we deserve better than this smoke and mirrors charade.
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    This happens when the opposition get tight to our out balls.

    In previous seasons we've had both Jack and Song, or Arteta and Song to pick up possession from the back four.

    This season we've moved from a double pivot to a single pivot with the other midfielder in more of a box to box role. The problem with playing Rambot in there is that he wants always to be little bit ahead of the ball. Daiby is the one player who seems to have grasped this role better than the others or maybe is better suited to it physically. Wilshire will get it eventually. Rammingspeed, I literally don't know.

    In the immediate-term we have a problem to solve because tactically it is now fairly easy to neutralise us. The pattern of play we saw against Villa is now a fairly common looking one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    It's not as bad as you're making out, it's not as good as it used to be.
    It's better than the long ball 1-0 to the Arsenal shite in the mid-nineties.
    It is on a par with it - at best.

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    What's wrong with you?

    You used to be reasonable, now you're all hysterical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm View Post
    What's wrong with you?

    You used to be reasonable, now you're all hysterical.
    I haven't got time to make long ass posts like that.

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    It is bad because there is nothing to look forwards to anymore. We have no chance of winning the league, no chance of winning the Champs League and we don't go all out for domestic cups either. It's that bad when you already know the hopeless outcome before the season is over. Even on match days I can tell the game will be boring from the team selection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    It is bad because there is nothing to look forwards to anymore. We have no chance of winning the league, no chance of winning the Champs League and we don't go all out for domestic cups either. It's that bad when you already know the hopeless outcome before the season is over. Even on match days I can tell the game will be boring from the team selection.
    :goodpost: Knowing the outcome and taking out the unpredictability takes any excitement away, in the Graham days I always believed we could upset the odds and beat superior teams.


    Also f*ck me is the manager boring say the same sh*t most of the time, even transfer windows are a total bore, every season is much like the last.

    We might not win under a new manager but at least we'd have something to look forward to and some changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GB. View Post
    FY, have you considered that he loves the Club and still thinks there will be the prospect of success at some point within the set parameters?

    Frankly, I think he is wrong - he is very very unlikely to win another trophy with the culture and tactics for which he is wholly responsible. He really needs someone he respects and listens to to tell him that enough is enough and that it aint going to work.

    Of course he could just be in it for the money - it is always a possibility when people and money get intertwined (that is a word isn't it?) but my gut feeling is that he does love the Club - it is pretty much his life's work and it just may be too hard for him to voluntarily walk away. But For his sake and our, it is something he must do.
    For 7mil a year, i'd love to fuck around with my 'life's work' and overstay my usefulness at an organisation out of 'love'.

    But then the world of football exists in another galaxy.

    My 'gut feeling' is that wenger has such say in affairs at the club that i doubt even fergie does at utd. Mourinho said it best when he questioned how wenger justifies his job at a supposedly top club without even the pressure to win anything for years; and this was years ago --- i can'timagine what he thinks of it now. But i guess there is more to football than trophies --- which is what i thought the fulhams,evertons etc and even the spuds console themselves with.

    How the mighty have fallen!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsMe View Post
    :goodpost: Knowing the outcome and taking out the unpredictability takes any excitement away, in the Graham days I always believed we could upset the odds and beat superior teams.
    Or at least kick the shit out of them in a drunken brawl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    True. It's worse. The Villa game was the worst football match I can recall enduring in 30 years. It was embarrassingly bad. At least there was a bit of cut and thrust to the drivel being served up in the 80s and 90s. What we are seeing now is nondescript and sterile. Pointless. I wish they'd just stand still and do nothing and then there would at least be an excuse for the utter futility of our style of play. Tip tap tip tap tip tap tip tap, give it away, other shit team gives it away, tip tap, one shot on goal in 90 minutes, corner blasted at the first defender, cross goes out of play, play if forward, no runners, play it back, do it again, tip tap, pray for improvement in the second half, if can't be that bad again, but it is, in fact it's worse, tip tap tip tap, knife, wrists, gushing, imminent death, saved by an interfering busybody, recovery, switch on the game, tip tap tip tap, get religion, beg for forgiveness, ask God for mercy, pray the devil takes me to burn in hell so I don't have to endure the tip tap tip tap pass it back slow it down, kill me, please kill me, tip tap...
    Did you not enjoy the game then?

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