Wenger's legacy - has it held us back

[Kano]

I can understand why, but Wenger has traded off his reputation and legacy for too long now. He and the footballing world should acknowledge that with our patience, Gooners have shown him complete respect. If we are not showing it so much now, its because we feel disillusioned and sad that our confidence has been displaced.

it's a fundamental human flaw - not knowing when to stop or realising when your best years have passed. some people have it but most people don't. it's times like this when you need a loved one or someone close to pull you aside and say 'you know what mate, the games up. go enjoy your retirement and let someone take it from here'.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Only just watching MOTD.

Bar RVP and Rooney, that Man Utd team is bloody average. But they're still able to push for the title.

Spot on, Its only thanks to RVP the mancs have been good. Imagine had we kept him. We'd be up there by now. Even Rooney has been woeful by his standards, or thats the real him all along. If not for RVP they'd be no where.

the days when workers could have made the difference are gone. that was the fabregas, rvp, nasri and an in form arshavin era were we had the quality but all bar RVP were lazy for me.

now we simply dont have the quality. workers wont save our forward line, which imo is worse man for man than swanseas. pablo hernandez and michu would walk into this side and id take dyer over oxlade and gervinho.

True.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

because they are one of two 'better' average teams in an average league.

Spot on were are so lucky the quality of this league has been por this season, otherwise we could have been on to some beatings tbh.

[Power n Glory]

is this the same parlour who ridiculed glenn hoddles back room staff (that faith healer)?

oh hes a local lad so he must be good/a role model

no, he had a good season that year but he was totally replaceable. vieira and petit would have been just fine without him.

go back to buying quality rather than giroud, gervinho, chamakh, podolski and nobody would be worrying about passion.

It's a combination of quality and pride - that is what we need in the squad. Ridicule players like Parlour all you want, but that old school Arsenal squad helped teach the new players the traditions of Arsenal and the English league. Man for man, our team is better than Swansea and it shouldn't be a case that we need new signings to beat Swansea and Norwich. Is that what it's come down to? We need to spend an extra £50m-£60m to beat these teams? Wenger has lost the dressing room and I can't see why it's us that need to spend money to beat these teams while Norwich and Swansea can operate and a show string budget and beat us convincingly.

All teams lose in football to lower leage opposition but this has become a pattern for us and i really don't know when we'll hit good form again. Wenger has poor motivational skills and that's why we need players that can call for discipline and focus on the pitch and in the dressing room while Wenger does his arm around the shoulder therapy stuff. I thought we had those players with Verms, Arteta and Merts in the squad but I get the feeling something broke when we agreed to sell RVP to Man Utd, sold Song and still haven't sorted out Theo's contract, three of our best performers from last year wiped out in a matter of months.

Wenger doesn't learn and he did this shit with Flamin and Hleb. That broke the team spirit and caused bitter in fighting. He did it again with the sale of Cesc and Nasri. The team were totally flat at the start of the season but we gathered confidence when the club bought Arteta and Merts on deadline day. In fact, that lifted us all a bit and it looked like we were heading in the right direction for once. I was prepared to give Wenger more time to develop this squad. But then the idiots go and mess things up with the sale of our captain and midfield powerhouse. They have well and truely broken the squads spirit and fans. I'm not surprised to see the team struggling now because it's sheer incompetence on display.

[Özim]

he was park of the machine, correct. nothing was "based" on ray facking parlour.

You're really harsh on Parlour, I saw his 1st game for us and thought he was brilliant then, his work rate and engine were a real asset.

Not the most talented I agree, but he gave us a lot with his chasing back, tackling and forward runs...I'd take him and put him in this team in a heartbeat and he was an important part of that winning team as well.

[Özim]

Spot on, Its only thanks to RVP the mancs have been good. Imagine had we kept him. We'd be up there by now. Even Rooney has been woeful by his standards, or thats the real him all along. If not for RVP they'd be no where.


True.

Once again though Ferguson plays a big part, he signed RVP and of course makes the team perform beyond their capabilities.....and he openly criticises them when they don't perform as he thinks they shoud and credit to him for that.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Once again though Ferguson plays a big part, he signed RVP and of course makes the team perform beyond their capabilities.....and he openly criticises them when they don't perform as he thinks they shoud and credit to him for that.

Won't disagree on that. look at the goals they have conceeded yet they are still top of the league. We keep RVP im telling you the confidence remains, Santi and Poldi look good happy days.

From Stan to the fans just seems to be this negatitvity all around. Its horrible to think our fans fight each other at matches. Not good days tbh not good days.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

he's a wanker in a long line of wankers.

an absolute pussy with no backbone. he's the type of person who sleeps with every part of his body under the covers in case the monster comes out at night and eats his feet if he leaves them uncovered.

an anorexic, delusional bitch for the corporate quo.

[BOBN]

It's a combination of quality and pride - that is what we need in the squad. Ridicule players like Parlour all you want, but that old school Arsenal squad helped teach the new players the traditions of Arsenal and the English league. Man for man, our team is better than Swansea and it shouldn't be a case that we need new signings to beat Swansea and Norwich. Is that what it's come down to? We need to spend an extra £50m-£60m to beat these teams? Wenger has lost the dressing room and I can't see why it's us that need to spend money to beat these teams while Norwich and Swansea can operate and a show string budget and beat us convincingly.

I can honestly say I dont see how we have better players back to front than Swansea, certainly not in the forward areas and thats where games are won. Pablo Hernandez for me is considerably better than every single on of our forwards (inc wingers), Rangel is superior to any full back at the club bar Sagna who cant stay fit etc

plus I accept the rest of your point about lacking spirit and so on.

wenger is finshed in so many ways its frightening.

[Power n Glory]

Let's not get carried away here. Swansea are a well oiled machine and function like a team. If Wilshere, Kos, Verm, Sagna, Walcott, Cazorla...etc were integrated into their system and had back to back seasons playing under former manager Rogers, they'd be a lot higher up the table.

At the moment, we have collection of individual players and no team. There is no cohesion or unity and that is why Swansea play better than us.