Olympiakos v Arsenal Tuesday 4th December on ITV1 7:45pm

[Niall_Quinn]

the best thing the seeding system has done this season is to wake everyone up to where the prem stands in europe at the moment. regardless of where city were drawn, a few years back the english champions would've held their own far better than city have. in any group, the prem champs should've have been good enough to qualify.

You can see the dire state of English football every week, the standard is diabolical. Players can't pass, head, cross, shoot, defend, tackle and it's not just us. It has been declining fast, partly because joke clubs like the chavs and the gypos are buying up talent that would previously have been spread around and sticking it on the bench. The TV money must play a part too, nobody even has to try to get rich any more, it just falls in their laps. It also attracts mercenaries in ever increasing numbers. Only good reason to watch the CL these days is to see the foreign teams who can still pass.

[Özim]

the best thing the seeding system has done this season is to wake everyone up to where the prem stands in europe at the moment. regardless of where city were drawn, a few years back the english champions would've held their own far better than city have. in any group, the prem champs should've have been good enough to qualify.

City's group was pretty tough to be honest, Real who are one hell of a team and Dortmund who look top class.

I don't think English teams have had to face such tough teams in a group for a long time, I agree the PL is weaker though.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

You can see the dire state of English football every week, the standard is diabolical. Players can't pass, head, cross, shoot, defend, tackle and it's not just us. It has been declining fast, partly because joke clubs like the chavs and the gypos are buying up talent that would previously have been spread around and sticking it on the bench. The TV money must play a part too, nobody even has to try to get rich any more, it just falls in their laps. It also attracts mercenaries in ever increasing numbers. Only good reason to watch the CL these days is to see the foreign teams who can still pass.

Chelsea Vs City said it all about how the english game has suffered. If that was an advert for 2 of the top teams in the league, then you know the rest are poor. None of the top team have shown any quality this season. from top to bottom this league is a shambles.

[Niall_Quinn]

City's group was pretty tough to be honest, Real who are one hell of a team and Dortmund who look top class.

I don't think English teams have had to face such tough teams in a group for a long time, I agree the PL is weaker though.

If you can't win it by throwing a billion quid at it that's a poor show. To not even win a game hints that under the pile of cash lurks a pile of shit club.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

City's group was pretty tough to be honest, Real who are one hell of a team and Dortmund who look top class.

I don't think English teams have had to face such tough teams in a group for a long time, I agree the PL is weaker though.

City should be beating Ajax no excuse for them not too. With the quality they have they should have done much better. They could have beatern real and nearly did in the opening game.

[Kano]

You can see the dire state of English football every week, the standard is diabolical. Players can't pass, head, cross, shoot, defend, tackle and it's not just us. It has been declining fast, partly because joke clubs like the chavs and the gypos are buying up talent that would previously have been spread around and sticking it on the bench. The TV money must play a part too, nobody even has to try to get rich any more, it just falls in their laps. It also attracts mercenaries in ever increasing numbers. Only good reason to watch the CL these days is to see the foreign teams who can still pass.

completely agree and what the cl has done is compound that especially seeing pretty much everything about the bundesliga surpass ours.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

completely agree and what the cl has done is compound that especially seeing pretty much everything about the bundesliga surpass ours.

The English media hype, and twats like Clive Tydsley going on like we are better then we are. Does not help.

[Kano]

City's group was pretty tough to be honest, Real who are one hell of a team and Dortmund who look top class.

I don't think English teams have had to face such tough teams in a group for a long time, I agree the PL is weaker though.

they are excellent teams but lets not forget city had at least a point away to madrid until they fucked it up. you would've of expected chelsea/man u a few years back not to be embarrassingly outplayed at home by dortmund. sure, maybe lose the match but joe hart was a one man show. as good as ajax appeared in some games, you would still expect six points there and far more competitiveness, you know that yourself.

[Özim]

City should be beating Ajax no excuse for them not too. With the quality they have they should have done much better. They could have beatern real and nearly did in the opening game.

I agree about Ajax yes, but the other two teams are pretty good.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

they are excellent teams but lets not forget city had at least a point away to madrid until they fucked it up. you would've of expected chelsea/man u a few years back not to be embarrassingly outplayed at home by dortmund. sure, maybe lose the match but joe hart was a one man show. as good as ajax appeared in some games, you would still expect six points there and far more competitiveness, you know that yourself.

Pretty much, you'd not be shocked if Mancini got sacked tomorrow tbh. I think Jose would have got City through that group tbh.