FUCK OFF NOW WENGER! YOU'RE A JOKE MAN.

[Niall_Quinn]

the board will treat the new guy the same and perhaps plump for a guy that buys into it - especially if wenger moves upstairs which would be a disaster. if not, then the least i will hope for is that everything possible is being done with the team by the manager to get the maximum out of them. i think that is what most fans want as minimum. trophies and glory would be nice of course but its not the most important thing for me.

Agreed, Wenger moving upstairs would be a long term nail in the coffin. It's just a bit sad he has to be condemned for being (what's the word?) - moral - about things. He's right, football is crazy, the money is out of control. Unfortunately that's the way it works now, at least until the whole game crashes and burns. And I guess we don't know the half of it (or a tenth), what really goes on with all the grubby cash changing hands behind the scenes. Agents snagged £77mill last year, or something like that I think. It's foul but it's also normal and Wenger is not a normal guy.

It's also true that a lot of fans are aiming for the absolute minimum. It's such a catch 22. If a manger did come in and set the likes of Gervinho and Ramsey on fire, either literally (which is fine) or in terms of dramatically improved performances through tactical and positional changes - they'd be sold so the manage could bring in more shit and mould it into an asset. I really don't think the majority of fans have quite grasped our situation. Any manager increasing the vibrancy and making the blood flow through this team again is just going to see it sucked away. This loss to Bradford is certainly partly down to Wenger and partly down to the players, but there has been a perpetual chipping away by the guys at the top to get us to this lowly position.

Arsenal won't be competing at the top for years to come. And even then, if our game plan does work out and our frugal policies mean we rule the roost, doesn't it also mean a hell of a lot of clubs will have collapsed or be unsustainable? We could be masters in a league of one.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

What more can he say? No agenda is being forced upon him as suspected.

NQ - this is the reason why the focus is on Wenger right now.

Yeah but remember the 1st rule. Wenger lies.

[Özim]

the board will treat the new guy the same and perhaps plump for a guy that buys into it - especially if wenger moves upstairs which would be a disaster. if not, then the least i will hope for is that everything possible is being done with the team by the manager to get the maximum out of them. i think that is what most fans want as minimum. trophies and glory would be nice of course but its not the most important thing for me.

I can't see us getting a manager who is basically happy to achieve 4th every season unless we end up with an Avram Grant who let's face it noone would want here. We're a big club and a manager who comes to manage us would I'm sure like to leave his stamp and succeed, I would at least hope that he'd improve things via tactics, motivation, coaching and perhaps signing the correct players.

I'm not for Wenger moving upstairs as I feel a new manager should be allowed to get on with his job without Wenger's shadow cast upon him.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

a new manager would no doubt not have these problems.

You do know the new man will be of Stan's choosing. So do you really think he is going to bring in someone who wants to spend a lot of money on players. When its clearly not what he wants. Lets hope the reports of pep coming in are true, if not then the new man will just be a yes man and stans bitch.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I can't see us getting a manager who is basically happy to achieve 4th every season unless we end up with an Avram Grant who let's face it noone would want here. We're a big club and a manager who comes to manage us would I'm sure like to leave his stamp and succeed, I would at least hope that he'd improve things via tactics, motivation, coaching and perhaps signing the correct players.

I'm not for Wenger moving upstairs as I feel a new manager should be allowed to get on with his job without Wenger's shadow cast upon him.

[Niall_Quinn]

What more can he say? No agenda is being forced upon him as suspected.

NQ - this is the reason why the focus is on Wenger right now.

Maybe, but you may find out soon enough you are only peeling back layers of the onion.

[Özim]

You do know the new man will be of Stan's choosing. So do you really think he is going to bring in someone who wants to spend a lot of money on players. When its clearly not what he wants. Lets hope the reports of pep coming in are true, if not then the new man will just be a yes man and stans bitch.

Any manager unless they're some kind of joker won't come in and settle for achieving nothing, why would they? You don't want to come in and manage a big club and leave only to be totally forgotten as you've not managed to achieve anything of note.

[Özim]

What? That's basically what Wenger does every season.....he's proud of getting 4th and rates it as a major trophy, had he arrived in 2006 would he be remembered for coming 4th every season? F*ck no, noone would remember him in 10 years.

You can claim he's not happy with 4th etc, but at the end of the day actions speak louder than words.

[Niall_Quinn]

Any manager unless they're some kind of joker won't come in and settle for achieving nothing, why would they? You don't want to come in and manage a big club and leave only to be totally forgotten as you've not managed to achieve anything of note.

They might come in for £5-6mill a year though. Look at Benitez. Tell me he's still a manager with ambition. There are plenty out there who would take the money I'm sure. This is a money club now. The board, the manager, the players all on crazy money and no results on the pitch. For this to have been solely Wenger's model and hos doing would make Stan Kronke an ignorant ass. If you look at the guy's record he's hardly that. I'm sure they'll get the right man for the their job. Whether it will be the right man for the fans is not so certain, if it is even possible given the gap that has to be bridged.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Any manager unless they're some kind of joker won't come in and settle for achieving nothing, why would they? You don't want to come in and manage a big club and leave only to be totally forgotten as you've not managed to achieve anything of note.

Thats why Stan will put someone unknown there. No one knew Wenger when he 1st came, so can see them doing the same if it benefits them. However if they believe Pep is their man, i guess he'll be given time to make a team. But he'd be what they like, because like Barca he never really spent much and was good with the youth.

What? That's basically what Wenger does every season.....he's proud of getting 4th and rates it as a major trophy, had he arrived in 2006 would he be remembered for coming 4th every season? F*ck no, noone would remember him in 10 years.

What i an NQ and Terry are saying is, Stan will choose tyhe next manager. It won't be someone Ambitious it will be someone who will be his yes man. Once Wenger goes Stan won't pretend he needs to be loyal to the club anymore.

No one like Jose will come here whilst Stan and co are in charge. Arsenal are in a fuck up place and Wenger going is the start to clear it up.

Until stan leaves this club is fucked up no matter who the manager is.