I never saw Vieira as a leader....he was a fantastic box to box midfielder whose passing and precision in the middle of the park was the vital cog in the Arsenal Engine (the last time we won a trophy was his last kick of a ball for us). But he wasn't a leader, he wasn't the type of player to rally those around him or lead by example....he was giving the captaincy as a quid pro quo agreement to stop him from sulking and looking to go elsewhere.
I disagree, he was a leader in the sense that he would put a hard tackle in win the ball and drive the team forward, perhaps not vocal like an Adams, but a hard aggressive tackle on someone does a lot to rouse the crowd and the players.
This kind of thing is the reason Wenger has gained the reputation for BS:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20732920Arsenal: Theo Walcott contract talks to continue into new year
Theo Walcott's contract dispute with Arsenal is set to continue into the new year, despite Gunners boss Arsene Wenger issuing a Christmas deadline.
Walcott has so far rejected Arsenal's attempt to resume formal negotiations but talks are expected to resume.
The England forward, 23, could sign a pre-contract agreement with a foreign club from 1 January or join a Premier League side for free in the summer.
Liverpool, Chelsea, and both Manchester clubs have indicated an interest.
Wenger said he does not want Walcott to leave in the upcoming transfer window, even if that opens the possibility of him departing for nothing at the end of the season.
But the Frenchman made similar suggestions about Samir Nasri and Robin van Persie as they entered the final year of their contracts, only to see them sold to City and United respectively.
Liverpool are keen to recruit Walcott in January, Chelsea and City would rather wait until the summer - unless he is put up for sale in the new year - and United have asked to be kept informed.
City pursued Walcott last summer and had a bid rejected before the transfer window closed.
Walcott's preference is to stay with Arsenal if they meet his wage demands and offer him opportunities to play as a central striker having spent most of his Gunners career on the wing.
They are prepared to raise his salary from £60,000 a week to £75,000 a week, but the Southampton academy graduate is holding out for closer to £100,000 a week.
Walcott may choose to delay his decision until the summer, at which point he would know how the season had materialised for both himself and Arsenal.
But it is understood the main reason negotiations have not recommenced is the player's anger at being relegated to the substitutes' bench after he turned down the improved contract.
Although Walcott has started each of the last five matches he has been available for, earlier in the campaign he started just three of 13 matches when fit.
He is Arsenal's top scorer this season with 10 goals in 17 appearances and when asked on Friday if Walcott would be a part of the club's long-term future, Wenger replied: "I believe so, yes."
Arsenal signed the then 16-year-old Walcott from Southampton in 2006 for an initial £5m rising to £12.5. He has scored 30 goals in 161 league appearances for the club and has 30 caps for England.
26 September
"We want him to stay, I always said exactly the same. We are all professional and let's hope we can extend his deal. I speak to Theo of course, we are always in touch with them [his agent] and you have to give us some time to try and sort that out."
1 November
"There is urgency, how much I don't know, but there is urgency. We want to sort it out before Christmas, one way or the other. I would not like to [sell Walcott]. I have not even thought about that, because at the moment I think we will still manage to make a deal with him."
8 November
"My desire is to keep Theo. We do what is needed to keep him and hopefully we can sort this situation out very soon. Very soon is before the end of December one way or another, that is for sure."
You can't set a deadline (as he has many times in the past) and then change it because nothing is resolved, either don't set a deadline or stick to it.
We all know he's gone, let's at least set about signing a replacement, preferably not some unknown from the French league.
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Wenger is a coward
Dont agree at all. I remember those good old days when we challenged Man Utd where he would go out of his way to not only protect his players but more importantly make an example by putting his body on the line. He wasnt vocal like Adams or 'Capi'Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Arsene Wenger, the only football manager that got paid 8 million quid to do nothing but sit on his arse..
Now that I mention Capi, I had to look this up:
Last Arsenal team to play brilliant fast attacking football. Most heart breaking season
At least we were entertained then... its been a shower of cow dung since then. Not to forget, that was also the last season we played 4-4-2. Coincidence?
EDIT: Out of all those players, only Sagna is there. Says everything you need to know about our manager. And he says we are still challenging for CL, PL and FA cup. Fuck off you c*nt!
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Arsene Wenger, the only football manager that got paid 8 million quid to do nothing but sit on his arse..
Its common sense Theo is going you don't neen at article to say other wise. Wenger is hardly going to come out and say we are selling him in Jan, even though we know theo is going anyways.
"I really like Arsenal. Do you really like Arsenal, or only Arsenal with trophies?" - Dennis Bergkamp.
"Which Arsenal do they want back, the one Arsene created?" - Tony Adams.
Rofl. We weren't even close to playing 4-4-2. The most successful spell - the one that got us flying in the table by Christmas with record points, was all under the most blatant 4-5-1 you'll see.Now that I mention Capi, I had to look this up:
Last Arsenal team to play brilliant fast attacking football. Most heart breaking season
At least we were entertained then... its been a shower of cow dung since then. Not to forget, that was also the last season we played 4-4-2. Coincidence?
EDIT: Out of all those players, only Sagna is there. Says everything you need to know about our manager. And he says we are still challenging for CL, PL and FA cup. Fuck off you c*nt!
I didnt mean to imply we played 4-4-2 the whole season in all matches home and away. What I meant was this was the last season we played 4-4-2 in a match ever.. remember matches where Adebayor and Eduardo played up front or when Cesc played behind Adebayor like Gerrard? Our last 'only 4-4-2' team was in 2006 in Highbury. We still played 4-5-1 in Europe and reached the final of the CL. That was the biggest hint to AW that we should play 4-5-1... look where we are now.
4-4-2 got us all the titles under Vinegar. 4-5-1 has got us shit.
Arsene Wenger, the only football manager that got paid 8 million quid to do nothing but sit on his arse..
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...in-denial.html
He has gotten so desperate that he is throwing out false facts!
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Arsene Wenger, the only football manager that got paid 8 million quid to do nothing but sit on his arse..
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