Champions League Draw Dec 20th

[Özim]

That's not really what I'm saying, no.
But they are CL Finalists (I know, so are Chelsea, and how did they do this year? ) and are clearly a better side than us.
Losing away at ManYoo isn't a disgrace. Being beaten by them by a cricket score like last year, or being beaten so easily by them this, isn't good enough.
Even at our best under Wenger we lost to Bayern, we're a shadow of that side now while Bayern are clearly pretty strong. They're strong favourites and losing to them is no disgrace.
As someone else said, if we lose then the manner of the defeat and our performance is what I'll look at.

Yeah but I really hate the fact that we really don't feel we have a decent chance, we're a huge club after all but it seems on the pitch we are small time....in the last 20 years I'd have given us a decent chance of winning everytime, but not today because our team doesn't have the heart, desire or quality to give me that belief.

I find that sad, I'd love nothing more than to believe we can beat anyone, the reality is though I just don't, I expect us to lose. Chelsea won the CL as underdogs last season, they didn't have a great season in the league and yet won it, why is it that our team is so predictable, why is there no expectations that we can pull off a shock?

I reckon it's because of the mentality of the team and management, Graham had inferior teams that beat big superior sides but the reason is they had desire and belief they could upset anyone, without that you have nothing.