Carl Jenkinson

[Özim]

no they don't. show me the posts where they call him a world beater. go on, or your argument falls to pieces.

you know, you are the most miserable supporter i've come across on here. i don't get you. nothing, literally nothing is positive about the club. regardless of wenger and co, you moan about everything.

so what if people are wrong? when you call everything 100% right then come back to me, until then fans will do as fans and put trust, whether misplaced or not, into players they like. that is what a fan is supposed to do. if you can't do that, then i would question what the point of following a club is.

I was exaggerating somewhat but they certainly overrate him, he really hasn't been that good.

I don't feel positive about the club, it's the worst Arsenal team I've seen in 20 years and frankly I don't see why I should sugercoat that fact by prentending to be happy about it.

It's time for people to be a bit more realistic after living in a dreamworld for 7 years IMO, things aren't good and the team isn't great and that includes Jenkinson.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

[QUOTE=Merry Chrizimas;236485]I was exaggerating somewhat but they certainly overrate him, he really hasn't been that good.

I don't feel positive about the club, it's the worst Arsenal team I've seen in 20 years and frankly I don't see why I should sugercoat that fact by prentending to be happy about it.

It's time for people to be a bit more realistic after living in a dreamworld for 7 years IMO, things aren't good and the team isn't great and that includes Jenkinson.[/QUOTE]

No people love this club and theyu always will. Being a suppoter is not just being happy during the good times, its bad times and well. I have never see this club have bad times, but i will stick by it. Don't matter who the manager is owner it etc. I love this club and i always will.

Does not mean their is a need to moan at every single thing. I could understand if you went to games and they conned you out of money, but you don't even those who go to support the team don't moan as half as you do.

[Özim]

No people love this club and theyu always will. Being a suppoter is not just being happy during the good times, its bad times and well. I have never see this club have bad times, but i will stick by it. Don't matter who the manager is owner it etc. I love this club and i always will.

Does not mean their is a need to moan at every single thing. I could understand if you went to games and they conned you out of money, but you don't even those who go to support the team don't moan as half as you do.

This is different from bad times, we've got loads of money but sh*t management which we put up with, if we were struggling financially and there was a good reason for our struggles I could put up with it, but not this sh*t.

I don't moan about every single thing, that's you exaggerating, I appreciate that the manager and most of the team are sub standard however and don't pretend they aren't.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

This is different from bad times, we've got loads of money but sh*t management which we put up with, if we were struggling financially and there was a good reason for our struggles I could put up with it, but not this sh*t.

I don't moan about every single thing, that's you exaggerating, I appreciate that the manager and most of the team are sub standard however and don't pretend they aren't.

You post don't make sense.

If you dod not know this is bad times, then you never will. If you think a new manager is going to come in and everything will be hunky dory then you live in a dream world.

And you do moan about everything. The only person who is making football shite for you is you.

[Özim]

You post don't make sense.

If you dod not know this is bad times, then you never will. If you think a new manager is going to come in and everything will be hunky dory then you live in a dream world.

And you do moan about everything. The only person who is making football shite for you is you.

It makes perfect sense, we're creating our own problems it's not something that just happening.

We're allowing this to happen and doing nothing about it, this isn't like being a club with no resources or options to fix the problems....we've got plenty of options we just choose never to change anything.

What makes football shite for me is the manager, his players, his tactics, his signings and everything about they way he does things, we're regularly getting outplayed by small clubs these days.

In addition you have no idea what effect a new manager will have, for all you know he may come in and transform the club, the way I see it it can't be any worse than now, we're frankly awful in almost every way, I'd rather have an outside chance of winning a trophy then have no chance at all and end up 4th every season like now.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

It makes perfect sense, we're creating our own problems it's not something that just happening.

We're allowing this to happen and doing nothing about it, this isn't like being a club with no resources or options to fix the problems....we've got plenty of options we just choose never to change anything.

What makes football shite for me is the manager, his players, his tactics, his signings and everything about they way he does things, we're regularly getting outplayed by small clubs these days.

Yet you still watch the games. Not sure it makes sense if you hate is so much.

[Özim]

Yet you still watch the games. Not sure it makes sense if you hate is so much.

I don't hate the club, I'm an Arsenal fan...but I hate what's happening to it.

[Kano]

I was exaggerating somewhat but they certainly overrate him, he really hasn't been that good.

I don't feel positive about the club, it's the worst Arsenal team I've seen in 20 years and frankly I don't see why I should sugercoat that fact by prentending to be happy about it.

It's time for people to be a bit more realistic after living in a dreamworld for 7 years IMO, things aren't good and the team isn't great and that includes Jenkinson.

just as i thought, you have no argument.

no one is living in a dreamworld. everyone is awake to the fact of where we stand. the difference is, proper fans will always find a reason to keep coming back. that might be completely alien to you but let me assure you, it is the norm. your stance of complaining about everything and not finding anything to enjoy is certainly not the norm.

[Özim]

just as i thought, you have no argument.

no one is living in a dreamworld. everyone is awake to the fact of where we stand. the difference is, proper fans will always find a reason to keep coming back. that might be completely alien to you but let me assure you, it is the norm. your stance of complaining about everything and not finding anything to enjoy is certainly not the norm.

It's good to be different, we can't all be sheep

Some people still live in a dreamworld where "things can change" where one win changes everything, that's not true to life.