Carl Jenkinson

[Kano]

I'm not moaning just stating the facts.

People act like he's some sort of world beater on here which is a long way from the truth, when it comes to his loyalty well there's no way of knowing, he's not a product of the clubs youth policy (which IMO strengthens a players ties) and noone has shown any interest in him yet. He's still starting off his career, but if we go 5+ years following the same cycle as we have been doing and he somehow becomes good and there is a demand for him, I think we'll find his ties aren't as strong as some thought.

no they don't. show me the posts where they call him a world beater. go on, or your argument falls to pieces.

you know, you are the most miserable supporter i've come across on here. i don't get you. nothing, literally nothing is positive about the club. regardless of wenger and co, you moan about everything.

so what if people are wrong? when you call everything 100% right then come back to me, until then fans will do as fans and put trust, whether misplaced or not, into players they like. that is what a fan is supposed to do. if you can't do that, then i would question what the point of following a club is.

[Özim]

no they don't. show me the posts where they call him a world beater. go on, or your argument falls to pieces.

you know, you are the most miserable supporter i've come across on here. i don't get you. nothing, literally nothing is positive about the club. regardless of wenger and co, you moan about everything.

so what if people are wrong? when you call everything 100% right then come back to me, until then fans will do as fans and put trust, whether misplaced or not, into players they like. that is what a fan is supposed to do. if you can't do that, then i would question what the point of following a club is.

I was exaggerating somewhat but they certainly overrate him, he really hasn't been that good.

I don't feel positive about the club, it's the worst Arsenal team I've seen in 20 years and frankly I don't see why I should sugercoat that fact by prentending to be happy about it.

It's time for people to be a bit more realistic after living in a dreamworld for 7 years IMO, things aren't good and the team isn't great and that includes Jenkinson.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Don't tell me that, I've seen the sh*t spouted on here about him and that IMO shows he's being overrated. I don't dislike him, he's OK, just don't think he's anything to get overexcited about and if he left I wouldn't be bothered.

if he was overrated then people would say he is the best RB in the world, no one has said that, they are just happy at his development.

Jesus, seriously. What does it take to put a smile on your face? So what if people overrate and so what if he spouts about loyalty.

Right now, as fans, we are looking for little glimmers of light wherever they can be found. Some may be right, others might be misplaced but who is 100% right all of the time? I know you're not. So just lighten up and don't moan when fans are just getting behind a 'homegrown' player, who is a supporter of the club and as such has become a favourite just for those reasons. Is that ok, is that allowed at all?

[Özim]

if he was overrated then people would say he is the best RB in the world, no one has said that, they are just happy at his development.

They don't have to say that for him to be overrated, his performances have been "ok" nothing more, so he's not a player to get overly excited about.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

[QUOTE=Merry Chrizimas;236485]I was exaggerating somewhat but they certainly overrate him, he really hasn't been that good.

I don't feel positive about the club, it's the worst Arsenal team I've seen in 20 years and frankly I don't see why I should sugercoat that fact by prentending to be happy about it.

It's time for people to be a bit more realistic after living in a dreamworld for 7 years IMO, things aren't good and the team isn't great and that includes Jenkinson.[/QUOTE]

No people love this club and theyu always will. Being a suppoter is not just being happy during the good times, its bad times and well. I have never see this club have bad times, but i will stick by it. Don't matter who the manager is owner it etc. I love this club and i always will.

Does not mean their is a need to moan at every single thing. I could understand if you went to games and they conned you out of money, but you don't even those who go to support the team don't moan as half as you do.

[Kano]

I was exaggerating somewhat but they certainly overrate him, he really hasn't been that good.

I don't feel positive about the club, it's the worst Arsenal team I've seen in 20 years and frankly I don't see why I should sugercoat that fact by prentending to be happy about it.

It's time for people to be a bit more realistic after living in a dreamworld for 7 years IMO, things aren't good and the team isn't great and that includes Jenkinson.

just as i thought, you have no argument.

no one is living in a dreamworld. everyone is awake to the fact of where we stand. the difference is, proper fans will always find a reason to keep coming back. that might be completely alien to you but let me assure you, it is the norm. your stance of complaining about everything and not finding anything to enjoy is certainly not the norm.

[Özim]

just as i thought, you have no argument.

no one is living in a dreamworld. everyone is awake to the fact of where we stand. the difference is, proper fans will always find a reason to keep coming back. that might be completely alien to you but let me assure you, it is the norm. your stance of complaining about everything and not finding anything to enjoy is certainly not the norm.

It's good to be different, we can't all be sheep

Some people still live in a dreamworld where "things can change" where one win changes everything, that's not true to life.

[Özim]

No people love this club and theyu always will. Being a suppoter is not just being happy during the good times, its bad times and well. I have never see this club have bad times, but i will stick by it. Don't matter who the manager is owner it etc. I love this club and i always will.

Does not mean their is a need to moan at every single thing. I could understand if you went to games and they conned you out of money, but you don't even those who go to support the team don't moan as half as you do.

This is different from bad times, we've got loads of money but sh*t management which we put up with, if we were struggling financially and there was a good reason for our struggles I could put up with it, but not this sh*t.

I don't moan about every single thing, that's you exaggerating, I appreciate that the manager and most of the team are sub standard however and don't pretend they aren't.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

This is different from bad times, we've got loads of money but sh*t management which we put up with, if we were struggling financially and there was a good reason for our struggles I could put up with it, but not this sh*t.

I don't moan about every single thing, that's you exaggerating, I appreciate that the manager and most of the team are sub standard however and don't pretend they aren't.

You post don't make sense.

If you dod not know this is bad times, then you never will. If you think a new manager is going to come in and everything will be hunky dory then you live in a dream world.

And you do moan about everything. The only person who is making football shite for you is you.

[Özim]

You post don't make sense.

If you dod not know this is bad times, then you never will. If you think a new manager is going to come in and everything will be hunky dory then you live in a dream world.

And you do moan about everything. The only person who is making football shite for you is you.

It makes perfect sense, we're creating our own problems it's not something that just happening.

We're allowing this to happen and doing nothing about it, this isn't like being a club with no resources or options to fix the problems....we've got plenty of options we just choose never to change anything.

What makes football shite for me is the manager, his players, his tactics, his signings and everything about they way he does things, we're regularly getting outplayed by small clubs these days.

In addition you have no idea what effect a new manager will have, for all you know he may come in and transform the club, the way I see it it can't be any worse than now, we're frankly awful in almost every way, I'd rather have an outside chance of winning a trophy then have no chance at all and end up 4th every season like now.