Random Arsenal Shit (When it's not worth starting a thread)

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Guardiola needs to come home.

[Boss]

Guardiola needs to prove himself with a harder project than Barcelona before he can be trusted with a club that needs serious work like ours.

[GP]

Guardiola needs to prove himself with a harder project than Barcelona before he can be trusted with a club that needs serious work like ours.

We'll stick with Wenger, then.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Guardiola needs to prove himself with a harder project than Barcelona

Which is why he's perfect for us.

Come home, please

[Boss]

Until Wenger stops qualifying for the CL, yes, we should stick with him.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Guardiola needs to prove himself with a harder project than Barcelona before he can be trusted with a club that needs serious work like ours.

That sound like you want to appoint someone to cure all the ills from boardroom down. Isn't that the problem in the first place, one person wielding so much influence?

[Boss]

That sound like you want to appoint someone to cure all the ills from boardroom down. Isn't that the problem in the first place, one person wielding so much influence?

I believe that Pep's greatest work as manager was done in his first season, when he got rid of the likes of Ronaldinho, Deco etc and won the treble the next year. He also had a bit of luck (Messi's emergence as a consistent threat which only grew over time) but he was left with probably the greatest collection of talent the world has ever seen over the next few years and (admittedly) won most of what he could. He's never really had a huge setback to deal with - the first, last season where they won nothing of note saw him run off to New York, and he's also presided over quite a few fuckups (most notably Ibrahimovic).

I believe it's harder to not win the league were you in charge of such talent as he had in Barcelona (which to me is shown by Tito's seamless transition as new manager) and he's not yet shown himself capable of achieving the work required to turn us into challengers again (both being astute in the transfer market as well as a few major tactical reshuffles).

[Özim]

Let's not forget Rijkaard had a fair amount of success with Barca before Guardiola, it's not too hard to achieve success when you have such good players at your disposal, though the style of play of course is something he did develop well.

Personally though I wouldn't want us to play the short passing type of football, we tried and it was boring as hell, counter attacking is where it's at if you want excitement.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I believe that Pep's greatest work as manager was done in his first season, when he got rid of the likes of Ronaldinho, Deco etc and won the treble the next year. He also had a bit of luck (Messi's emergence as a consistent threat which only grew over time) but he was left with probably the greatest collection of talent the world has ever seen over the next few years and (admittedly) won most of what he could. He's never really had a huge setback to deal with - the first, last season where they won nothing of note saw him run off to New York, and he's also presided over quite a few fuckups (most notably Ibrahimovic).

I believe it's harder to not win the league were you in charge of such talent as he had in Barcelona (which to me is shown by Tito's seamless transition as new manager) and he's not yet shown himself capable of achieving the work required to turn us into challengers again (both being astute in the transfer market as well as a few major tactical reshuffles).

That's not really answering my question.

Anyway though, one of the first things he did (well I say first things it was a few games in to 08/09) was put Messi in that mainstay role, which wasn't exactly the most obvious move to do with Henry and Eto'o still there. Nobody made him bring in Busquets and Pedro but he did it. Why? Because he worked with them at the B levels. Did it work? Yes, immensely so.

Tito doing well doesn't show up Guardiola as being lucky at all - he was Guardiola's assistant. It's fairly safe to assume he's not going to rock the boat (though there have been some differences). Saying he ran off to New York is asanine, he was one of Barcelona's longest ever serving coaches and he was only appointed in 2008. He always maintained that if he felt the players were not responding to hearing the same things again and again in the same way, he would leave before it becomes terminal. I think knowing when to let go is probably one of the qualities most people have been crying out with regards to Wenger, isn't it?

It sounds like you want the perfect candidate (and to win trophies immediately given you say we should just stay with Wenger until we don't make the Champions League), which I am guessing could only possibly be Mourinho.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Let's not forget Rijkaard had a fair amount of success with Barca before Guardiola, it's not too hard to achieve success when you have such good players at your disposal, though the style of play of course is something he did develop well.

Personally though I wouldn't want us to play the short passing type of football, we tried and it was boring as hell, counter attacking is where it's at if you want excitement.

The team Rijkaard had success with had quite a few differences in personnel to the one in 08/09 and very different to the one that Guardiola had success with in 10/11 (compare Champions League final starting XI's).