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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernesto View Post
    I'm not trying to play Devil's Advocate here, but in what way is the German league better than the Premier League?

    Given that hardly any player who is signed from Germany to play in the EPL flops on these shores, I can see the logic, but it would be interesting to know why?
    did you see dortmund humiliate our champions twice this season? schalke outplay us twice and of course bayern would beat everyone in our league?

    the league is run far more sensibly in financial terms, no billionaires can run in and screw it up and in general it is on the rise, whilst ours is on the way down. just because sky and all those muppets hide behind billions and pwetty graphics, there is no hiding the quality in the league right now has been going down for a few years.

    pep just went there - the most sought after manager in the world right now. who is to say mourinho won't follow? the arrogance of the papers made sure we all believed it was only chelsea or city he could roll into but this is a sharp reminder of where this league stands right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    Bayern are the richest club in Germany and are like the Real Madrid of Germany but there isn't a club in Germany that can match their spending power. I'd have more respect for the guy if he'd taken on a smaller club and done what Klopp has done with Dortmund. Winning the league with Bayern isn't something to shout about. What Dortmund and Klopp are doing is. And no, England isn't the best league in the world, I don't get swept up in all that hype. But he'd have a serious challenge on his hands if he were to pick any of the top clubs here because he'd have rival clubs looking to match him all the way. If he goes to Bayern and blows Dortmund away by spending millions, I won't respect that.
    why on earth would he want to take charge of one of the worlds biggest clubs, with a huge reputation and respect across the game? a club with a history bigger than ours, city's and chelsea's and one that would have been part and parcel of his childhood footballing world? not really hard to guess is it. bayern munich and barcelona on your CV? yes please. how many top rate managers go to a small club following huge success? i didn't see maureen doing so. he won't be walking in with no expectations and the CL is part and parcel of that, so it is complete arrogance to think that he would come to a declining league over one that is clearly on the rise. in my mind it's a brilliant move - completely left field and unexpected, yet somehow it is the easy route? do me a favour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz View Post
    did you see dortmund humiliate our champions twice this season? schalke outplay us twice and of course bayern would beat everyone in our league?

    the league is run far more sensibly in financial terms, no billionaires can run in and screw it up and in general it is on the rise, whilst ours is on the way down. just because sky and all those muppets hide behind billions and pwetty graphics, there is no hiding the quality in the league right now has been going down for a few years.

    pep just went there - the most sought after manager in the world right now. who is to say mourinho won't follow? the arrogance of the papers made sure we all believed it was only chelsea or city he could roll into but this is a sharp reminder of where this league stands right now.
    I think they tend to have "fuller" stadia than ours, when it comes to filling out the crowds. The way coverage of Bundesliga games is buried and broadcast at some unGodly hour on an extra-terrestrial channel that we have to pay more for gives the German league an enigmatic quality.

    I also believe that the matches are much more competitive, no? In spite of the riches of Bayern, you could tune into a game that they'd play against Schalke, say, and expect a closely contested 90 minutes.

    Compare this to our recent games against Manchester United, which the rest of the world tune in to with eager anticipation.
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    The infrastructure of the Bundesliga is 2nd to none.

    Cheap tickets, safe standing areas and you can drink in the stands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz View Post
    why on earth would he want to take charge of one of the worlds biggest clubs, with a huge reputation and respect across the game? a club with a history bigger than ours, city's and chelsea's and one that would have been part and parcel of his childhood footballing world? not really hard to guess is it. he won't be walking in with no expectations and the CL is part and parcel of that, so it is complete arrogance to think that he would come to a declining league over one that is clearly on the rise. in my mind it's a brilliant move - completely left field and unexpected, yet somehow it is the easy route? do me a favour.
    What would your opinion be if he had moved to Chelsea or Man City? Wenger made an interesting comment the other day. Pep was served caviar at Barca and he'd be served caviar if he went to Chelsea.

    As said, big fish in a small pond and unless the world's best players start moving to Germany along with the world's best managers, it will remain a small pond. I felt the same way when Ribery chose German league after playing in France.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    What would your opinion be if he had moved to Chelsea or Man City? Wenger made an interesting comment the other day. Pep was served caviar at Barca and he'd be served caviar if he went to Chelsea.

    As said, big fish in a small pond and unless the world's best players start moving to Germany along with the world's best managers, it will remain a small pond. I felt the same way when Ribery chose German league after playing in France.
    it would have been good to see a manager with his rep arrive and hopefully he could've imposed some of his philosophy into his team and the league.

    that league is on the rise whilst ours is on the decline and there will be more to follow. no-one saw this coming and hopefully people (although given the arrogance in this country i doubt it) will start to wake up and realise where we are now. to criticise a player or manager for wanting to play for one of the worlds biggest teams makes no sense at all.

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    No disrespect to the German league but unless top players start seeing it as the place to be then things won't change. We were just saying on here that Pep is overrated as a manager and I disagreed with that but if he wins a few German league cups with Munich, the perception of him being a silverspoon manager won't change. If he come somehow transform Munich into the team everyone wants to watch and it the German league starts attracting major players, fair enough but he'll have to go beyond a few German titles to gain respect from some of critics. It's the same sort of criticism Mourinho receives. People say he was a paycheque manager at Chelsea, Inter and Real which is why he shouldn't be considered as the best. Same arguments are being put forward against Pep suggesting he was born with a silverspoon in his mouth because he had it made at Barca. But we shall see what he does at Bayern and if he can transform the image of that league then that would be quite an achievement.

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    The German league does have major players. They're just...German.

    Germans.

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    @P&G

    and in many ways i agree with most of that. he done very well at barca but still has to prove himself some more. however i find it insane to suggest going to one of the biggest clubs in modern footballing history (as in the past 50 years) is bottling it. remember, bayern do not accept second best. man city and chelsea have loads of money too but absolutely none of the prestige that comes with it and i can see every reason why a player or manager would want to go there if given the chance.

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    Bayern are like the Real Madrid/Man Utd of Germany and I can't see Dortmund keeping pace with them if he's given money to spend. That's why I say he's taken the easier route because there isn't a club in Germany that come close to Bayern's stature. What Dortmund is doing now with their young players is pretty phenomenal. I have a lot more respect for Klopp and his team because they've taken on the giant and won without spending crazy money.

    Chelsea and City may lack the prestige but I'd say it's just the same as taken on Bayern Munich. I wouldn't respect Jose if he took on that team and won more titles. It's the biggest team in Germany and they're expected to win and dominate. The Prem is like an open field right now because there are so many teams bidding for the title. But if Pep sees things heading to Germany over the long term because of their stability and structure, fair enough. But historically, who has been Bayern's rival always pushing them on?

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