Match Reaction vs Blackburn Rovers!

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Wenget got little bit stroppy in the pre-Bayern conference.

Heard he also denied the contract extension, so no doubt now that he'll be here for at least 20 years.

[GP]

Wenget got little bit stroppy in the pre-Bayern conference.

Dumbass reporters asking dumbass questions about shit they've made up.

I'd be a bit angry too.

[Cripps_orig]

Wenget got little bit stroppy in the pre-Bayern conference.

Just watched it. Good to see him squirm

[Grebbo]

Grebbo, whilst I admire your defence of Arsene unless you have solid facts to back up that Arsene is handicapped by funds a lot of what you say is just opinion.

Moreover, why should we compare ourselves to Everton or Liverpool? We should be comparing ourselves to the best, we have a state of the art stadium, state of the art training facilities, generate millions of pounds every year, have a healthy balance sheet (so we are told), we are in the top 10 in terms of wealth of clubs in Europe.

So tell me this, given the above information, why should we settle for second best? The whole point of moving to a new stadium was to compete with the best, to attract the best players, to turn the club into a European super power both on and off the field.

I can accept that we had to endure a period where investment in the team is minimal and team performance would most likely suffer which it has, but why is it still going on? I really don't understand why we're in a position where we have to gut the team of it's best players every single year without replacing these players adequately.

In my opinion Wenger was an excellent manager but I feel he has lost his way, his methods are outdated and he's unable to manage or develop a winning team. I mean it's not even like we're losing to the likes of Man United or Man City in these cup competitions, we're going out to the Bradford's and Blackburn's of this world. It's totally unacceptable IMHO.

Solid facts you ask for? We break even or make a profit every transfer window - surely that tells you the boards strategy?

Wenger is not a worse manager today than he was when he first came here. The competition is way harder now - it's as simple as that. He has worse players now because the next Vieira is not sitting in AC Milan's reserves and the next Henry is not on the bench at Juve. It's impossible to find gems for peanuts these days.

Do you think Arsene deliberately buys cheap shit players? Do you think he enjoys getting dogs abuse from his own fans? Of course he doesn't. He spends what the board gives him.

[Grebbo]

i get the board argument but how can you explain this:

over the past 2 seasons we have seen:

1. players being played out of position (santos, ramsey, djourou)

I don't think Wenger does this more than any other manager.

2. no organisation

So after 25yrs of top level football management Wenger is now disorganised?

3. no desire or determination. a lack of motivation from players

Players fault

4. awful signings

Our last 4 signings were Nacho, Podolski, Cazorla and Giroud. Not that awful. When you're forced to sign players for less than £15m you're never guaranteed quality

5. no tactics being employed towards opposition

I think 'no tactics' is a little harsh. By all accounts Wenger has paid more attention to the opposition in recent years as the opposition is often better than us (which wasn't the case in previous years)

[Grebbo]

BTW I'm neutral as to keeping or letting Wenger go.

Nothing will change. The glory years of Arsenal are long gone.

Liverpool hasn't won the league for 20+ years and we're in for a similar cycle.

I sure as hell don't want that grim faced David Moyes as our next manager that's for sure (who's won fuck all for Everton in the 10+ yrs he's been there and has never qualified for the Champions League).

[Kano]

Players fault for no motivation - compeltely theirs?

Why do you think managers exist - anywhere in the world, in any industry? If it was left down to the individual, most people would not rely on their desire but cut corners and do the bare minimum.

Funnily enough, exactly what we are seeing at the moment.

One of the key ingredients of being a football manager is being able to manage the players personalties and get the very best form out of them more often than not, which is what Wenger is not achieving anymore. The talent and understanding of the game can be taught to a degree but as Fergie himself says, the largest part of football management is dealing with the players and making sure they are mentally ready for every game.

Wenger doesn't do that.

[GP]

Top posts there, Grebbo.

Apart from the 'glory days are over' bit. I'm a bit more optimistic than that.

[Grebbo]

Players fault for no motivation - compeltely theirs?

Why do you think managers exist - anywhere in the world, in any industry? If it was left down to the individual, most people would not rely on their desire but cut corners and do the bare minimum.

Funnily enough, exactly what we are seeing at the moment.

One of the key ingredients of being a football manager is being able to manage the players personalties and get the very best form out of them more often than not, which is what Wenger is not achieving anymore. The talent and understanding of the game can be taught to a degree but as Fergie himself says, the largest part of football management is dealing with the players and making sure they are mentally ready for every game.

Wenger doesn't do that.

Yes, completely the players fault.

Top players motivate themselves. The problem is we have one truly top player in our entire squad (Jack) and the top teams have many more.

Motivation isn't the problem. Quality of player is the problem.

There's no point bringing Fergie into this argument as he's a one off and has a MUCH better squad of players than us. Look at Mourinho - the self proclaimed special needs one - his Madrid team is third in a two team league, 15 points behind first place and he has some phenomenal players including the second best in the world. He must be the world's worst manager.

[SayNoMore]

1. players being played out of position (santos, ramsey, djourou)

I don't think Wenger does this more than any other manager.

2. no organisation

So after 25yrs of top level football management Wenger is now disorganised?

3. no desire or determination. a lack of motivation from players

Players fault

4. awful signings

Our last 4 signings were Nacho, Podolski, Cazorla and Giroud. Not that awful. When you're forced to sign players for less than £15m you're never guaranteed quality

5. no tactics being employed towards opposition

I think 'no tactics' is a little harsh. By all accounts Wenger has paid more attention to the opposition in recent years as the opposition is often better than us (which wasn't the case in previous years)

1.Err yes he does, he does it all the timeat the teams expense, how blinkered can you be?
2. Again sorry to be the bearer of bad news, he could be in the game for 50 years, doesnt condone simply football organisation that a sunday league team is capable of. No excuse that he cant even get the basics right.
3.LOL if its the players fault, it is the manager who motivates and man MANAGES the team, it is his responsibility to get the team pumped up and winning games. SAF wins the league every year through simple man management skills, it is this point which differentiates the SAF with the AW.
4. If we didnt keep stripping the club of key assets and players then maybe you might have a point. Very few times does Wenger buy to strengthen, he buys to replace so if he sells our best players they need to be replaced with top quality, not mediocrity.
5. Your so wrong and so naive to think Wenger employs proper and detailed tactics. He tells them to play their game and if did give them proper tactics we would see instantly.

If you want to defend Wenger do so, but stop excusing the glaring and basic errors hes been committing for the last 6 years, its boring to read and boring to listen to.