At least you know your deluded and cant back up your WUM points.
At least you know your deluded and cant back up your WUM points.
A few teams if you want to take the league table at face value.Originally Posted by Grebbo
Yeah
wenger sanctioned their sales. then decided that diaby would suffice as a replacement for song, for example. or giroud is as good rvp - very few players are as good as rvp but there are others better than giroud who could be our main striker.
the problems in the team have nothing to do with the board. kroenke doesn't instruct the defensive line as far as i know.
winning isn't the be all and end all here, that's too simplistic. let's get some pride back into our performances and go from there but as long as wenger sticks around, we won't even get that.
Last edited by Kano; 18-02-2013 at 04:21 PM.
True but I don't think they have a worse defence than City or Chelsea.A few teams if you want to take the league table at face value.
People underestimate how good Man U's squad is.
Not the team selection, but certainly the players from which to make that team selection. To be honest I'm still stuck at the sale of RvP. I'll catch up with everything that has happened since then and I'll probably be angry about it. Or maybe I won't care at all.the problems in the team have nothing to do with the board
In the end, Arsenal has turned into a joke club that is staffed by non-competitors who believe finishing 4th is a win. And the only reason they accept this is because that 4th place spot represents more money to go with the player sales, the increasing sponsorship deals, the world record ticket prices and the revenues from other, non-football related wheeler-dealing and interest bearing investments.
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But don’t you find it odd that we used to be able to field a team that consisted of players like Almunia, Senderos, Djourou, Denilson, Bendy, Merida, Vela, Bentley…etc and we’d play Premiership teams off in a cup game. What’s happened? Those kids we played back then aren’t better than the guys we have in our squad now are they? Look where most of those guys are now.
Having one shot on target against Swansea at home in the league, is not the boards fault.
Arsene Wenger, the only football manager that got paid 8 million quid to do nothing but sit on his arse..
oh come off it, why the denial? why do we have to go down this route and pretend like its the players fault?
1. we play players out of position and have been for years. eboue at right wing, djourou at right back, vermaelen at left back (played there at ajax but for us he's a centre half), bendtner at right wing, ramsey at right wing, santos at left wing, even denilson on the wing at one point. i know this may happen a few times at every club especially if there's a volume of injuries, but it seems to happen at our club more than others. we shouldnt be constantly playing players out of position and the simple explanation to that is the lack of cover which forces us to do so. and if it isnt injuries its wengers stubborness. why was ramsey played on the wing at the start of the season? there was absolutely no reason to play ramsey on the right wing for the first half of the season because we had walcott, chambo, gervinho etc who could have all played there. ramseys best position is and always will be in the middle but wenger played him on the flank and it cost us so many points. we saw a level of abuse towards ramsey we havent seen for years towards an arsenal player. now he's been put back in the middle and he's been doing alright again.
2. what kind of argument is that? how does the number of years in football correlate to organisation? its plainly obvious our defence does little/no work on the training ground. why do we have to pretend like they do all of a sudden? if they do then its even worse because they turn into a bunch of clowns on a saturday afternoon. if we are indeed training and drilling that defence and still performing like a circus on saturdays then wengers job is without doubt untenable. he needs to leave right now. you just shouldnt be performing like that if you are drilling and organising the defence. there seems to be no understanding, no shape and no cover. we've gone through years of the team having any real organisation or shape so why are you suddenly pretending like this is a new problem? we saw an improvement at the beginning of the season but its gone tits up again. this wont mean much on a forum but my friend who's been an ST holder for 15 years said after the stoke game 'that stoke defence is not better than ours but it looks like it doesnt it. its just clear that they drill and organise the defence every single day on the training pitch until they perform like a unit. we on the other hand clearly dont'. thats an ST holder of over 20 years saying that, someone who may i add is a stern believer in wenger still, basically telling us that its obvious from the stands that we're not doing defensive drills.
i remember reading quotes from cesc and clichy about how surprised they were at the level and intensity of training at other clubs when they left. it doesnt have much to do with the defence but you have to wonder why they even mention things like that when they leave. what do we exactly do in training?
3. once again you're speaking as if its a utopian world; a world where players do the talking, players do the managing and players pick the team. a world where the manager is absorbed from any real responsibility. well it isnt. if its the players who should be doing all of that, why are we paying someone £7m a year to do it? even more, why are there managers? the buck stops with the manager and perhaps if the manager was on top of everything we'd see players not slacking and putting a shift in for once.
4. i dont get this argument either, people saying 'hes forced to spend on cheaper players and when you buy in the lower end of the market there will be more flops as there are more risks'. how much did pires cost? freddie? vieira? henry? lauren? all were under £10m but none were a shower of shit like the recent crop. this idea that wenger used to spend big but has now been restrained to the lower end of the market is a load of rubbish. he's always bought in the bargain basement but the recent buys have just been awful. no excuses.
5. we play 4-3-3 whether its barca or bradford. when was the last time we went somewhere and played a 4-5-1? i cant personally remember. we used to go old trafford and stick 5 men in midfield, now we go and pretend they're yeovil by sticking 3 in the middle and 3 up top. no wonder we get ripped apart.
im at work so ill be slow in replying but im interested in what you have to say.
It's an ever descending death spiral. Those players you mention grew up with genuine world class quality around them in the shape of Henry, Fabregas, RvP, etc. When the players see quality like that head out the door it's not exactly going to fill them with belief. They surely know as well as we do what this club has become. The motivation and confidence has been burning out for a long time. That is down to the manager but it is also down to the board. If the board hasn't grasped the fact we have been short of the quality that could really make a difference they should be shot. And if it's true they simply get led by the nose by Wenger (which I don't believe for a second) they should be shot, resuscitated and shot again. These guys know how to take but have you noticed them giving anything back? Or intervening in the very evident problems at this club?
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