Was worse than that. Subbuteo figures had better movement. Their fans had more organisation than our defence. GutlessOriginally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
Was worse than that. Subbuteo figures had better movement. Their fans had more organisation than our defence. Gutless
World class ones or just the normal ones?
The cardboard pics on the box of figures tbh
Not gonna crucify the team for this, as they did put in a shift last night. Thought they worked hard, despite the mental lapses at the back again.
We were beaten by a far superior outfit, and whilst a change in tactics may have helped, we were always going to be beaten.
So here's the point:
The fans should be on the players side after last night. It's not their fault they aren't as good as Bayern. That's the fault of the rotten core at the club which has allowed us to fall so low.
There were two players last night which I would deem good enough to play against and compete with as side of Bayern Munich's quality WITHOUT any instruction from a manager. They are Wilshere and Rosicky. One is carrying the team as best he can, the other is sadly injury prone.
With that team, drilled and managed properly, we could have stifled them more, and we may have made our own luck. But we aren't, and we don't have the players capable of doing it on their own.
It's better to burn out, than to fade away.
We lost to a better team, it happens.
Bayern also beat us at home in 2005 when we had Henry, Vieira and co.
Whilst we deserved to lose I don't think we are getting much luck at the moment. Ok, our goal last night wasn't a corner but all 3 of their goals last night were jammy. Even against Liverpool at home their two goals consisted of a deflection and a ball perfectly rebounding for Henderson.
You make your own luck.
If we had stopped the source of the danger for their three goals (also known as having a left back), the unlucky way the ball went in wouldn't have been an issue.
It's better to burn out, than to fade away.
which is my point. Yes bayern are better but we did everything possible to hand them the tie with 160 minutes still left. Can we not even lose a game with a fight? Or is 20 fucking minutes the best we can achieve in a home tie nowadays. Its absolutely pathetic how timid the team is and has been for so long.
We start the game with theo up against two giants, so no chance there with no spearhead to our team. Ramsey out wide – yes he is there to help retain possession and drop back into midfield but bar two games, when has that ever worked? Bayern set up the same with Muller out wide but ramsey is nowhere near that calibre.
So we are undermined with our starting line up and then we switch off for two goals and we’re fucked, any small inclining of a chance to get through to the next round completely and utterly buried. I can accept losing to a better team but I can’t accept watching us roll over and getting done time and time again. Great, we ran about a lot, fantastic. Bayern were great but we also let them dominate the game because once again we were fucking scared.
We won’t get fourth, which I accepted at the start of the season but that won’t be enough to push wenger out the door as the new message will be ‘well one season out of 17 is not too bad is it’. Even if we did get into fourth, what is in store for next season? Justification of his approach more of the exact same.
Exactly right, if you spend more time in the opponents penalty box and less in your own then "luck" will go your way.
We have a serious problem at the back, one that had existed ever since cashley left. It has to be a tactical decision by the manager because Clichy (eventually), Gibbs, Santos and even Vermaelen all do it - they leave a huge space for the opposition to play into and they leave yards between themselves and their man. Remember how cashley and Clichy used to arrive at high speed and be all over their man like a rash?
Similar problems in the centre of defence, players standing off and letting the opposition walk through our intricate zonal system, literally walk through, take up prime position and score. We say we don't have any defensive tactics but I think it just looks that way. I think we probably have some horrible, complex, convoluted bullshit system that no defender would comprehend. It's not disorganisation, it's total confusion. Which is why it's so bizarre to have bought a defender like Merts. Surely if you buy him you go man-to-man at the back and clobber everything that comes near? How can Merts even get in the game if he's zonal and has to quickly cover short distances in reaction to what fast and intelligent front men are doing?
That's probably why TV looks like a headless chicken, and Kos. They are dashing around the place like loons. Almost as if they have two positions to cover in whatever fucked up system we are using. That's why playing Walcott central is a shit idea too. We used to use RvP's size and heading ability in defensive situations and from set pieces. He was an extra man at the back and effective. Giroud could be that too (and has been), we can't afford to have these guys off the pitch. The whole Walcott through the middle thing is a non-starter unless we are going to get a new Vieria to provide the essential cover required for luxury players who can only fill one role. Which is maybe why we have persisted with Diaby... and on it goes. We should have sold Walcott and splashed £30-£40 on a proper striker - it would have been cheaper in the long run because he could have fired us back into Europe.
We make all our own problems. It's not about being unlucky it's about a system that just doesn't work unless there's very high quality mixed with steel. We have sold our quality and the steel has been gone for a long time. We need to get back to the very basics but there's too much arrogance in this manager and way to much arrogance and complacency in the players. So maybe a new manager will work at least in that respect.
That was such a clueless and pointless team selection last night. And the fact Wenger didn't change it when it was so clearly not working was scandalous. Anyone would look bad in this team I think, except for Jack who's such quality he can do the things that stand out despite the rabble around him. Which is a shame because increasingly Jack is running around with a huge price tag on his back. What a horrible situation to be in when you hope your best player has an off night so he doesn't attract attention.
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You could say it was luck, but you had about 5 chances to clear our first and Henderson, who isn't exactly Drogba, was able to skip away from Mertesaker (?) and hold off Santos and was able to get a shot away before any of them even put a tackle in. I think Ramsey was the one who put the block in.
Didn't Henderson get his shot away and then it was saved/blocked off one player on to another player and then the ball rolled right into Henderson's path for a tap in? I'm sure it was something like that.
Anyway they all count and we were well beaten last night I'm not disputing that. It just seems that when you're on a bad run you don't get any breaks whereas the opposition often does.
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