What for celebrating a pointless win and ignoring the important questions. Let's rejoice in our pointless win and not focus on the important problems.Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
forgot to post this earlier, but i fucking love carl jenkinson. a man who gives everything to the club he loves. and for telling that **** shreeves to pretty much fuck off.
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Yeah well done.
Last edited by Özim; 14-03-2013 at 11:35 AM.
yeah let's just stay completely miserable about everything. that's what i'd prefer.
Well no, but why does it always have to be so extreme?
Tonight was a good result but we've seen these results before when we're under no pressure (as we were expected to go out) and the other side aren't at the races ('cos they're certain to go through). Bayern switched off so much last night we gave them a scare, but there is a pretty clear pattern of us getting these results.
If we back it up with a win at the weekend then great, that would be a good result in a difficult game. Let's not over-react to last night's win, good as it was. You need to look at the context of it.
absolutely no one has overreacted to the victory, at least on here. all that has happened is some fans have taken a bit of pride from one game, without for one second thinking this means everything changes from here on in. if anything, there has been a counter reaction to rubbish a victory in a game. no one is asking for fans perceptions to change - i still believe we'll finish fifth as i always have - but geez, wallowing and dismissing anything positive at any given time does nothing.
I’m with you. It was a good result and we didn’t get crushed but there is still work to be done because it looked as though neither team got out of 1st gear last night. I wouldn’t call it a brave or battling performance but it’s a result…even if a tad bit meaningless because we’re out of the competition.
Apart from the weirdos who couldn't say something original or interesting if their life depended on it, it's not a choice to feel happy or disappointed or proud or whatever. As I've said it's all about whether you can still separate out the ridiculous lack of preparation or concentration that gets us into positions we can't recover from. 5 big games in 2013, all 5 pretty much gone in the first half when we're 2-0, in some cases in the first 15-20 mins.
The first time it happens you're thinking we'll it's pretty stupid but decent fight back, at least they showed some balls and maybe we can learn for next time. The second time it happens you're thinking similarly. Third time, fourth time. 5th time I'm thinking, 'you bunch of idiots'. No one expects us to win all the big games but to self-sabotage your chances of winning, in record speed, in all 5 is a bit ridiculous.
Yup. Which is why I'm pretty dvoid of any emotion about this result.
What is important, is that we do a job for the next ten games. We need to actually start thinking of being solid and ugly before we even start thinking of where we may end up.
If the application and sheer-bloody-mindedness that we will not be beaten, is put into each performance, from the first whistle; and if we respect each game, paying heed to the opposition, then I'll get on board and give credit where it's due.
But we have yet to prove anything near that kind of consistency and respect this year. You only get credit when you start doing it week in week out. becuase that is what professionals do.
It's better to burn out, than to fade away.
There was nothing positive from that game, not a single thing. The result is measured over two legs so we lost, we didn't win. The worst aspect was the way Bayern treated us like total shit and we let them away with it because our players are so sub-standard they simply couldn't get a fairly straightforward job done against a team that had arrogantly made the biggest mistake you can make in sport, assuming a result. There's no glory or pride in failure when it comes on the back of eight years of the same. This was us falling at yet another hurdle, only this time the challenge was easy. Forget about the away game against the potential winners and being two goals down. That's not who we played last night. We were playing against a team that was talking about their next opponents and dismissed us like we were shit on their shoes. More fool them, they almost paid the price and would have done against any half decent team. But they were playing us so they got away with it. The idea there was any element of success last night shows how the mentality of averageness has seeped through the club. That horrendous tappy game we play and now with players who can't even pass, it drives me up the wall.
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That's right. Ten more performances grinding it out and we might, just might, nab 4th spot. Our trophy. If we can find consistency in our terrible averageness we can slog past another average team and grab a crumb. The owners and manager of this club have really sold us a lemon to suck on. What is it about this club? They actually had a chance last night when nobody gave them a prayer. Bayern did us every favour they possibly could short of score for us. We have a player like Walcott who is shit at everything he does except using his pace to unsettle defences. So we play is square and backwards and slowly, maybe because we do things the Arsenal way and find doing what it takes to win distasteful. Well now we have our manners intact and another sordid season under our belts. I'd have put money on Stoke getting a result last night, but I wouldn't put a penny on us.
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To say there was nothing positive from the game is over egging it.
I thought Fabianski was a positive. He hasn't been party to our recent collapses and he looked assured.
I really hope Wenger keeps him in the side to build on that.
The fact that I have doubts that Wenger will keep him in the side speaks volumes however about my confidence in Wenger to make the sensible decision in any situation.
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