Next Arsenal manager?

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Jesus, you are a proper stalker. How the fuck did you remember me saying that. I said that ages ago.

Is this Moyes debate bugging you that much? Don’t take it personal. I just don’t think he’s suited to the role and if you feel Low hasn’t done enough, I feel more so about Moyes. He hasn’t worked with big players, can’t beat any of the big clubs, has never won a trophy….if Low is terrible candidate in your eyes then Lord knows what you see in David Moyes.

no its called having a memory, do you find it hard to remember what people say? is that why you backtrack and cross-fertilise your thoughts so much? you went from 'the new manager needs to have won trophies so the players look up to him', to 'or at least played in a big tournament or won trophies as a player so our players idolise him' (specifically to court laudrup) to 'semi's and finals are good enough!'. now im not a genius but that smacks of desperation- someone who doesnt know what he wants, someone with a bad, inconsistent logic.

we'll leave this debate for now.

[IBK]

We'd have to throw serious money at him. Works on most footballers.


But you're right. It wouldn't make sense for him to leave.

Well, Wenger's on £7M. But no - the board won't pay anything like that, or get Wenget's replacement right.

[selassie]

sounds great on paper doesn't it? but think of it in reality. why on god's earth would he step away from dortmund, to come to us right now? that club is doing everything we should be, 100 times better. sound financials, great tactician, motivated players all topped off with success. last season they lost kagawa and got in ruess. heard rumours they will be after eriksen from ajax so it looks like they'll carry on as they are for now.

Yeah I know TT. It's just wishlist material type stuff, besides, I reckon the board will essentially give Arsene the task of choosing his replacement.

Arsene will bring in one of his cronies, saves him having to brainwash about "not needing to spend" and "doing things the right way"

[Power n Glory]

no its called having a memory, do you find it hard to remember what people say? is that why you backtrack and cross-fertilise your thoughts so much? you went from 'the new manager needs to have won trophies so the players look up to him', to 'or at least played in a big tournament or won trophies as a player so our players idolise him' (specifically to court laudrup) to 'semi's and finals are good enough!'. now im not a genius but that smacks of desperation- someone who doesnt know what he wants, someone with a bad, inconsistent logic.

we'll leave this debate for now.

Have you said anything worth me remembering besides the Moyes gunk?

Since you're good at doing your research, go back and check the criteria again. There is no back tracking on this you're just being selective. Besides silverware, I also siad we should get someone that can evolve our Total Football philosophy, play an attacking brand of football and command some sort of respect from his players. I don't like Moyes brand of football, he has no experience of managing big egos, doesn't beat the big teams when it comes to the big games....need I go on? His appointment would be a nail in our coffin. It would show zero ambition from the Board.

We'll leave the debate alone but stop bringing up all the time.

[Globalgunner]

The criteria of having won something before is good but not essential. I mean look at Mancini. He has won lots of stuff both here and in Italy but essentially he is a pathetic manager who spends all season rubbing his key players the wrong way. You could also take Rafa as another example. I would actually be ok with him, but the chap has the same problem essentially as Mancini, he needs to spend 50m in each transfer window or he goes on a long sulk. The good managers are there, all mostly less than 50 years old. Or you go with the old wizened stager like the Bayern coach, who has seen it all but is still flexible in his principles. The fist thing you want in a coach is the pure desire to win. Not someone who essentially wants to be left alone to tinker with potions in his laboratory while being paid as well or better than anyone else

[IBK]

The criteria of having won something before is good but not essential. I mean look at Mancini. He has won lots of stuff both here and in Italy but essentially he is a pathetic manager who spends all season rubbing his key players the wrong way. You could also take Rafa as another example. I would actually be ok with him, but the chap has the same problem essentially as Mancini, he needs to spend 50m in each transfer window or he goes on a long sulk. The good managers are there, all mostly less than 50 years old. Or you go with the old wizened stager like the Bayern coach, who has seen it all but is still flexible in his principles. The fist thing you want in a coach is the pure desire to win. Not someone who essentially wants to be left alone to tinker with potions in his laboratory while being paid as well or better than anyone else

Plus performances in different leagues can be deceiving....

[Power n Glory]

It can be, there is no exact science to this. But whenever we’re linked with or have just bought a player, we usually check out his stats like goals and assists each season. If they’re captain, have just won the league or voted as one the league’s best players..etc. The numbers and accolades usually back up the persona but not always. I don’t see why it should be so different for a manger. When we brought in Wenger, he had already won stuff in France, he was able to find good players for cheap and still play attractive football. I don’t want a coach that seems to think you need £150m to play good attacking football but I also want some sort of evidence that his philosophy works.

As for Mancini, I would say he has a very hard job on his hands managing all those egos and keeping them hungry for success. Where Hughes failed with all the millions, Mancini came out on top. That’s the difference he’s made to that squad.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

The criteria of having won something before is good but not essential. I mean look at Mancini. He has won lots of stuff both here and in Italy but essentially he is a pathetic manager who spends all season rubbing his key players the wrong way. You could also take Rafa as another example. I would actually be ok with him, but the chap has the same problem essentially as Mancini, he needs to spend 50m in each transfer window or he goes on a long sulk. The good managers are there, all mostly less than 50 years old. Or you go with the old wizened stager like the Bayern coach, who has seen it all but is still flexible in his principles. The fist thing you want in a coach is the pure desire to win. Not someone who essentially wants to be left alone to tinker with potions in his laboratory while being paid as well or better than anyone else

spot on.

football has evolved, you move with the trend. fergie and wenger are the last of a dying breed, although wenger essentially died a long time ago. the trend is for young, inexperienced but hungry managers; its not just in football but in every industry. young people getting opportunities at a younger age, upsetting the existing equilibrium and showing no fear when faced with experienced pro's. they take their chance. this move towards decentralisation has happened in football too, we dont see managers like fergie/wenger who run the club from top to bottom anymore. we see managers who come in and just manage the squad leaving other things to other people. chairmans hire a director of football etc to deal with all the other crap. notice how di canio is not the sunderland manager but the 'head coach'. we're moving away from a centralised, hierarchical system and one component of that is the trend towards young, enthusiastic managers who come in with fresh ideas.

every manager has to start somewhere. having a tin pot trophy to your name in austria or denmark means fuck all. neither does winning the golden boot in a tournament 20 years ago. if a manager comes in and the players respect him they'll work hard and play for the shirt, regardless of whether a manager has a trophy to his name or not.

[Power n Glory]

Agreed. A manager shouldn't be appointed just because of silverware and he shouldn't be appointed just because he's able to work on a small budget and balance the books.

[Injury Time]

Agreed. A manager shouldn't be appointed just because of silverware and he shouldn't be appointed just because he's able to work on a small budget and balance the books.

LDG ftw :