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    Quote Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost... View Post
    If they were all mentally strong then there would never be true greats.
    Not true, it's just that when other players get in winning positions when it matters they never carry it through (early rounds don't count as top players aren't always on the ball then, sometimes takes a bit of time to get into a tournament).

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost... View Post
    Well he did beat Muzza in Paris Masters last year so at least he knows he can beat him.

    He looked completely bewildered after his win today though, Kubot was waiting for him for ages, so not sure that's a great sign!
    With all due respect to the Paris Masters, it's not a Grand Slam and sometimes the top players lack a bit of focus in these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga View Post
    Not true, it's just that when other players get in winning positions when it matters they never carry it through (early rounds don't count as top players aren't always on the ball then, sometimes takes a bit of time to get into a tournament).
    Yes and if they did carry it through from those positions, they'd probably be the top players in the world but not everyone can be that. You point out that he is ranked 54 so obviously, he has failings that a No.1 is not going to have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    I disagree completley....despite not dropping a set i think Del Potro is a bit out of his depth here...he won the US Open purely because Federer crumbled mentally in the final......Federer was getting upset at how long Del Potro was taking to serve and how he was waiting to the last second to challenge. I think Del Potro is too cumbersome to give Djokovic a problem and i think using the Olympic semi final as a guideline is very misleading. It would be better to look at their head to heads in previous grand slams where Djokovic has dispatched Del Potro with ease.....if anything i'm much more surprised that Djokovic got past Berdych with such ease.
    Janowicz for me is an up and coming player and has excellent court coverage for someone his size, and if Murray plays anywhere near as badly as he does in the first two sets against Verdasco he will definitely lose.
    He destroyed Nadal in the semis, Del Potro is the real deal just look at how he played today....he blew Ferrer off the court on one leg!

    Djokovic is a class act and he may well beat Del Potro, but Del Potro is certainly a much bigger threat than that other guy Murray is playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga View Post
    With all due respect to the Paris Masters, it's not a Grand Slam and sometimes the top players lack a bit of focus in these.
    No of course not (they haven't met in a Slam) but it should, in theory, at least give encouragement to know they can beat the person they are facing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost... View Post
    Yes and if they did carry it through from those positions, they'd probably be the top players in the world but not everyone can be that. You point out that he is ranked 54 so obviously, he has failings that a No.1 is not going to have.
    They might beat a few top players, they might not necessarily win the competitions. It's the fact these guys don't seem to deliver in big games against big players.

    Today he had a big chance, 2 sets up and he could have turned the screw, instead errors started appearing in his game and he seemed to take his foot of the gas....that's the usual things the lesser players do, no killer instinct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost... View Post
    No of course not (they haven't met in a Slam) but it should, in theory, at least give encouragement to know they can beat the person they are facing.
    Maybe but it's a very different situation, there's more pressure and it means a lot more which usually means they totally bottle it.

    Boris Becker won when he was 17, he didn't win everything but he was mentally strong enough to win big tournaments and beat big players...it's something you either have or don't have.

    I always think it's a shame when the top players get knocked out early and thus we're denied a chance to see them pitting their wits against each other. Would have liked to have seen Murray against Nadal, would have made for a much better semi. Invariably when they do lose the guys that beat them get knocked out in the next round proving it was a total fluke and that the player they were up against just had an off day.

    As it is it's probably a walkover for him (Murray).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga View Post
    They might beat a few top players, they might not necessarily win the competitions. It's the fact these guys don't seem to deliver in big games against big players.

    Today he had a big chance, 2 sets up and he could have turned the screw, instead errors started appearing in his game and he seemed to take his foot of the gas....that's the usual things the lesser players do, no killer instinct.
    He's doing exactly what you'd expect someone that is talented but of a relatively low ranking to do. And then you have to consider that the top players know what to do tactically (even though it's sometimes unseemly) over the course of five sets to get through, year in year out. In Murray's case it was chase everything down and see the unforced errors occur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost... View Post
    He's doing exactly what you'd expect someone that is talented but of a relatively low ranking to do. And then you have to consider that the top players know what to do tactically (even though it's sometimes unseemly) over the course of five sets to get through, year in year out. In Murray's case it was chase everything down and see the unforced errors occur.
    Precisely which is why having these guys in the quarters is pointless, they never really stand a chance. Players in the quarters should be the real deal and should be able to beat a top guy on their day.

    If everyone was fit we'd have the likes of Djokovic, Murray, Nadal, Berdych, Soderling, Del Potro, Tonsga all of which could beat each other in a big match, it makes for less predictable results in the quarters.

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