Now you can officially start to panic...

[Ollie the Optimist]

mourinho is worse than a war criminal but whoever comes in next won't be around for a long time. wenger is the last dinosaur left roaming an extended tenure. 3 year managerial deals all round for minimal risk for the club and keeping a managers 'options' open. they are all as devious as players now in seeking their next 'project'.

If you are talking about us, then yes I can't see a new manager being here too long, or at least not being offered a long contract at first, but in football, it's not quite as you say. United offered moyes a 6 year deal for example.

Doesn't matter wether it's short term or long, there is no point getting a manager in who will just piss the last 8 years up against the wall

[Özim]

That run looks like we were winning a lot of games. We were. It was the reason we finished in the top 4, you don't do it by luck.
I agree to an extent about the quality of the league and our quality but I don't see how that's relevant.
No, I didn't think we'd finish above Spurs after being 7 points behind them but then I didn't expect us to go on that sort of run. If you look at Spurs' run in game by game they only dropped points in one game you'd really expect them to win - Fulham at home. But that is somewhat mitigated by them beating City at home (who were on an excellent run) and drawing away at Chelsea (who dropped very few points at home last year). Their run-in results were excellent, ours were just better.

We hardly waltzed into the top 4, we snuck in there on the last day and only did so by going on the sort of run which if you extrapolate over a season is championship form. I agree we didn't look convincing but as you'd be the first to say it's all about results and we got them.

The problem with this run IMO, is as you've just highlighted it can be used to make things look fantastic. Wenger could easily point to this as a good reason why we don't really need transfers but the reality is it's a bit deceiving as the stats of that run really don't show how good a side we are. Looking at the figures alone we look like a fantastic side, which clearly isn't the case (your championship form comments reaffirms that and yet we're nothing like a championship winning team).

People have been saying you don't finish top 4 through luck, obviously it's not luck alone but there are lucky breaks along the way which certainly give you a helping hand and we've had our fair share over the years.

[Kano]

Completely digressing, but I'm actually suprised that Klopp geezer is staying on at Dortmund. He must be the next big mover shirley?

i guess he has a personal point against bayern to get out of his system but with lewandowski now gone next summer, he'll be at the same airport moving on too.

[Özim]

Completely digressing, but I'm actually suprised that Klopp geezer is staying on at Dortmund. He must be the next big mover shirley?

Not that surprised, they've spent 20 odd million on that guy Liverpool wanted so they are re-investing and backing the manager. He's got a good little project going on there in a flourishing league, where's he's loved and has a talented bunch of players.

[Cripps_orig]

I guess you don't know the meaning of 'or' then. I hope true Arsenal fans don't have to be of minimum literacy as well.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Not that surprised, they've spent 20 odd million on that guy Liverpool wanted so they are re-investing and backing the manager. He's got a good little project going on there in a flourishing league, where's he's loved and has a talented bunch of players.

When you consider who Liverpool have spent 20 million on in recent seasons, it doesn't help your point very much.

I also find it very interesting how you praise Dortmund for backing their manager with signings.

[Özim]

I guess you don't know the meaning of 'or' then. I hope true Arsenal fans don't have to be of minimum literacy as well.

[Özim]

When you consider who Liverpool have spent 20 million on in recent seasons, it doesn't help your point very much.

I also find it very interesting how you praise Dortmund for backing their manager with signings.

Klopp seems to have an eye for talent so who Liverpool are interested in is kinda irrelevant.

I praise them because they've gone out spent the money they've got from sales and have a manager happy to spend it on the team. Plenty to praise there IMO. Not ideal to have to sell their best players but they're not in the same league (not literally) as Bayern and thus most German players will want to move to Bayern if they can, at least Dortmund are replacing them (the fact this guy costs 20 million suggests he must be pretty good).

Dortmund also have a whole team of top players so the loss of one or two isn't as damaging as it could be to smaller clubs.

[Letters]

The problem with this run IMO, is as you've just highlighted it can be used to make things look fantastic. Wenger could easily point to this as a good reason why we don't really need transfers but the reality is it's a bit deceiving as the stats of that run really don't show how good a side we are. Looking at the figures alone we look like a fantastic side, which clearly isn't the case (your championship form comments reaffirms that and yet we're nothing like a championship winning team).

People have been saying you don't finish top 4 through luck, obviously it's not luck alone but there are lucky breaks along the way which certainly give you a helping hand and we've had our fair share over the years.

I literally don't think anyone, not even Ollie, thinks we're a fantastic side. But we're not that bad either. Riding your luck at times or no, you don't go on a run like that if you're that awful.
Over time we get some good luck and some bad. Over 38 games they say it generally evens out, certainly you can't keep finishing top 4 year after year by sheer dumb luck. If Wenger or the side were as bad as you make out we'd be nowhere near the top 4.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Klopp seems to have an eye for talent so who Liverpool are interested in is kinda irrelevant.

I praise them because they've gone out spent the money they've got from sales and have a manager happy to spend it on the team. Plenty to praise there IMO. Not ideal to have to sell their best players but they're not in the same league (not literally) as Bayern and thus most German players will want to move to Bayern if they can, at least Dortmund are replacing them (the fact this guy costs 20 million suggests he must be pretty good).

Dortmund also have a whole team of top players so the loss of one or two isn't as damaging as it could be to smaller clubs.

Price tags prove nothing. We all know that so saying he cost 20 million shows he is good is bullshit.

Dortmund are in the same league as bayern, year before they were league champions, next year they reach champions league and lose by 1 goal to bayern. In terms of history, yes no where near but in footballing terms, they are so that argument doesn't work, the players must be leaving for another reason.