Luis Suarez thread

[Niall_Quinn]

You guys are just as bad as the fucktards that defend John Terry.

Don't excuse the nonsense just because our club name has been attached to a deal with this guy. If it was one of our players involved in the Suarez incidents, would you be saying the same thing? Or a former player like Henry?

Don't try to downplay or defend the player. It was bad enough when Liverpool were at it with the T-Shirt rubbish, but at least he was their player. He's not even our player, we've just being linked with him and it's embarrassing to hear some of this. Bloody whores!

Don't belittle the incidents. It's best just to say maybe he could learn a thing or two playing in our diverse squad and being in London. Isolation won't solve racism. That's a better argument. Cannibalism....not so sure we can get around that but whatever. But don't be hypocrites.

Don't belittle the incident? No, blow it out of all conceivable proportion and then belittle everything else. This stupid country full of ignorant peasants just grovelled to the gates of the ultimate in discriminatory social bigots so they could coo over the pre-ordained right (by plucking legitimacy from thin air I suppose) of this small klan to elevate themselves above all others. They are superior, not by skin colour but by blood. God says so apparently. We will bow at the sight of them. And all of this is normal, devote the news and newspapers in worship and hang out the flags. But any attempt to place Suarez's transgression into a rational context has knees jumping and mouths frothing. Nobody condones what Suarez said but it seems mostly everyone is prepared to pursue this flea to the ends of the elephant.

[Power n Glory]

there is justifying it then there is contextualising it.

hammer him forever for being a racist if he used the worst aggressive language and was a serial offender.

as easy as it is to dismiss his actions as 'just a one-off' and so not seeming to address the problem, it is just as easy to speed into hyperbole about how evil a person he is.

he doesn't help himself at all with his other actions but let's not forget, they are acts of extreme stupidity, which seems to point to a personality trend, rather than a pre-thought out plan of action against certain people.

People want to put things into context now that he's linked with our club. That's the main problem.

It's a bit whorish but human nature I guess.

[Niall_Quinn]

For an Arsenal fan to shit on Adams and Merson for a player who has no links to this club....whorish behavior. I can almost understand the fucktards that defend their own, but damn!

I made a similar point to NQ last week, this is a classic case of self interest. You can't claw for the moral high ground against our Board and organisations like the FA, UEFA and Fifa if you're going to justify Suarez's actions. If one of our boys gets racially abused during an away game and Blatter doesn't want to deal with it, what will you say? Heck, at least Blatter has a real self interest at stake because there is money on the line.

Sorry, but who is justifying Suarez's actions?

[Niall_Quinn]

People want to put things into context now that he's linked with our club. That's the main problem.

It's a bit whorish but human nature I guess.

No, I just want to put it into context and drag it out of the realm of insanity.

[Kano]

People want to put things into context now that he's linked with our club. That's the main problem.

It's a bit whorish but human nature I guess.

it's the tribal nature of football. if a player mistackles one of 'ours' let alone call him a racist name, he is tarnished as an absolute ****.

when you realise you may have to support someone, it can bring out a little bit of rationality. and i mean a little bit.

[Niall_Quinn]

it's the tribal nature of football. if a player mistackles one of 'ours' let alone call him a racist name, he is tarnished as an absolute ****.

when you realise you may have to support someone, it can bring out a little bit of rationality. and i mean a little bit.

And it's a moo point because he's not coming here anyway. We just made a bid to activate a clause. Did the same with Felaini. If I had to guess I think Wenger is getting psychological help and the first step is to role play a few bids out. Next year he will move on to meeting prospective signings and in 2015 he will go to PSG.

[Power n Glory]

No, I just want to put it into context and drag it out of the realm of insanity.

Yes, now you feel a need to drag it into context because he's linked with our club. Did you feel a need a year ago or 3 months ago even?

[milla]

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892/...l?ICID=HP_HN_1

Luis Suarez is preparing to submit a formal transfer request to engineer his departure from Liverpool, Goal can reveal.

The striker has told Anfield officials he wants to leave the club and join Arsenal, who made a bid worth £42 million for him on Monday.

However, Liverpool insist that Suarez is not for sale and have let it be known to the player’s camp that he will have to lodge an official transfer request in writing in order to leave Merseyside.


This raises the prospect that Suarez will concede bonuses and other financial triggers but, with the player so keen to leave, Liverpool will face a decision over whether to begin negotiating a fee for his sale with Arsenal.

The Gunners lodged a second bid for the forward on Monday, made up of £35m up front and supplemented by £7m of add-ons.

This has been rejected by Liverpool but it is understood that Arsene Wenger will ‘pull out all the stops' in an attempt to land Suarez, who has become the main focus of his attention as he attempts to make a marquee striker signing.

Arsenal are believed to be confident that the Uruguayan is keen on a move to Emirates Stadium, and have now gone into completely unchartered territory to capture him.

The offer, which is comfortably a club record, is nearly double the £23.1m offer the Gunners made earlier this month for Gonzalo Higuain, who is putting the finishing touches to a £31.8m move to Napoli.

Arsenal are also preparing what is believed to be a lucrative package for a player who signed a £100,000-a-week four-year deal last summer.

Liverpool are fighting to hold on to the striker, who has spoken frequently this summer of his interest in a move, most specifically to Real Madrid. However, the Spanish giants have yet to make a bid for him and Arsenal are currently the only club in the running for his signature.

Earlier, Suarez made an 18-minute cameo appearance as a substitute on as he returned to the Liverpool team for the first time since April 21. In front of 95,000 fans at the MCG, he set up the second goal in the Merseysiders’ 2-0 win.

Brendan Rodgers has compared Suarez's value to that of Edinson Cavani, who joined Paris Saint-Germain last week for £55m, but the Anfield manager has stopped short of completely ruling out the Uruguayan's departure, merely saying every player has his value and he will only leave "if something drastic happens".

Suarez has a £40m clause in his contract which his advisers believe entitles him to ask for permission to speak to any club that matches the price. But Liverpool claim they only have to inform Suarez and the clause does not oblige them to sell.

Arsenal believe they have been given enough encouragement by the Uruguayan's representatives that he is keen to move to Emirates Stadium in search of Champions League football.

The Gunners' second offer has been timed to coincide with Suarez returning to pre-season training following his extended summer break. The striker linked up with Liverpool in Melbourne on Sunday for the second leg of their pre-season tour.

Suarez has emerged as Wenger's first choice ahead of Higuain and Wayne Rooney, who is the subject of strong interest from Chelsea.

[Power n Glory]

it's the tribal nature of football. if a player mistackles one of 'ours' let alone call him a racist name, he is tarnished as an absolute ****.

when you realise you may have to support someone, it can bring out a little bit of rationality. and i mean a little bit.

I can understand tribalism (to an extent) when it's our player.

[Niall_Quinn]

Yes, now you feel a need to drag it into context because he's linked with our club. Did you feel a need a year ago or 3 months ago even?

I said I couldn't give a shit about it at the time, I said it was horribly blown out of proportion at the time. Look it up. Evra appeared a while later liberally using the word nigger, but that was just a bit of fun. Wasn't it? And I don't want Suarez to come to the club.

What else do you have?