Luis Suarez thread

[LDG]

We have to maintain the defence and with injuries to Verm, Monreal, Kos....we're looking thin.

Sagan at CB

[Özim]

No doubt Suarez is one of the top strikers in the league, could even arguably be the best given what he's done in a fairly poor team.

No point scoffing at the price, the types of figures being thrown about are perfectly normal these days. I'm sure we'd have enough in reserve to buy another top player if we did spunk 40-50m on him.

I hope you're right, I reckon with a 75-80 million pound outlay that will be it. We've already made our 2nd signing.

[Ollie the Optimist]

We have to maintain the defence and with injuries to Verm, Monreal, Kos....we're looking thin.

as i said, kos has been seen in training pictures so i dont think its taht serious an injury. i really hope it isn't.

monreal, well sellling santos is a bad decision now and vermaelen, am sure we can find a decent CB for 7 million ish to cover for him and be 4th choice. someone was posting links about a valenica CB for that price.

[Ollie the Optimist]

One the same note RVP scored 39 goals for us and scored less for Man U, thus perhaps being the focal point means you score more?

One player isn't suddenly going to make us challengers, like I said he's replacing RVP effectively, we still won't be up there we need several quality players.

I couldn't give a damn about being proved wrong, would be good if he did for a change.

one player isn't if he was just replacing rvp with no else coming in. four new players have come in so its a better squad, i persoonally believe it is a better squad given players are older, more devolped etc. but lets not continue this one, it will just go round in circles.

also, going back to my point about making a statement. if we ended up paying 50 million for him, we could become the britisth record holders for highest transfer fee paid. arsenal, highest transfer fee paid. just say that to yourself, the league would take notice. its not chelsea or city, its a team whos record signign is 16 million.

also, its so nice that its our money, we've saved and can go big without being bankrolled by an arab or russian. its our money and although its late, its nice to see us joining the party

[Niall_Quinn]

As said last week, you can’t trivialise the Evra and Suarez issue, brush it aside as minor and then talk about the MLK days and ‘real’ racism. With that sort of attitude, you never get to the root of the problem. You’ve got to combat racism on all levels otherwise it grows and you get scenes like what we saw with the England under 21 team in Eastern Europe.

Oh good grief, this is painful. Get to the root of the problem? What do you think I'm doing? Do you seriously think racism exists because some people are just meanies? Racism, religious intolerance, all forms of bigotry (except the officially endorsed state sponsored type that raises its head from time to time when expediency calls) are always symptoms of a wider inequality in groups/ societies. Who do you think benefits most when the population is at each other's throats?

Racism isn't about which words should or shouldn't be banned - that's PR and chest thumping, a lousy apology for indifference to the real problems. At its root racism is a systemic agenda that has been carefully nurtured over centuries by those who benefit most from poverty, denial of education to the masses, war. Especially war because it's pretty damn hard to shoot somebody in the face when you perceive them to be the same as you. But a rag-head or some African bloke who "comes from a country that doesn't even have proper toilet paper and they all live in tents but some of my best friends are black people you know", no worries. They are inferior and a lot of the time we're actually doing them a favour by burning up their kids. George Bush and Tony Blair said this, so it's true. Why do you think we had slaves, because blacks are inferior to whites and in our ignorance we recognised some moral entitlement? No, because we had guns and it was fucking profitable to get somebody else to do all the work. Get real.

I mean haven't you been watching the news over the last 20 years? Racism? Do you think the people suffering from the direct effects of racism give a flying fuck about what Suarez did or didn't say? But, you know, I understand why we all need to go around explaining how virtuous we are and how we stood up (with the rest of the herd) when the real condemnations had to be made. Suarez - bastard, bad, bad. Anything other than fanatical condemnation is viewed as a white wash, you said so yourself. Well apologies, I guess my failure to sing loudly about one drop in an ocean in preference to "talking shit" about the ocean itself means I don't get access to the heavenly throng. I can live with that.

As an aside, it's true, there's no genocide in football (barring a few unfortunate incidents of genocide that happened elsewhere so don't count). I'm very confident the same guy who moralises from the stands wouldn't dream of lining up to clap on demand at some monument in London as the war criminals march past. And even if he did, there's no connection. Compartmentalisation is one of the best things ever invented, so convenient. So black and white.

[Özim]

if you go over the past two seasons, toure has been a far more consistent presence in the team, defensively and going forward. for one reason or another aguero wasn't last season, so again, if you base it on either last year or the past two years toure averages out as more influential.

we are talking premier league here, not spain or holland.

and remember, stats don't count.

I'm not just looking at stats believe me, Aguero didn't have the best of seasons however I watched him a number of times and when he plays he's unstoppable (better than Suarez IMO).

As for Toure yes he is very good, but when Aguero isn't firing neither are Man City, both key players though so hard to say who's more important I guess.

[Niall_Quinn]

Gazidis said we have £70mill PER SEASON as a transfer budget, right? So this won't be the year when we become title challengers. But if they really do intend to spend and we really do have a budget each year then in 2-3 years we might have the squad we need. This ties in with what Wenger said about challenging in 2-3 years. The key then will be to ensure we can keep players at the club as well as sign new ones. So this Suarez thing might make sense over a longer term. Sends a message to the players already here and lays the groundwork for more signings next year. Suarez will assist us to stay in the top 4 which is all we need to keep the plan on track if that's the plan.

Or, they're just screwing with us and plan to sell Cazorla.

[Grebbo]

No point comparing Suarez to Aguero. Aguero isn't for sale and wouldn't want to join us.

Arsenal are not a top club so it is very difficult for us to get a world class striker to sign for us. Arsenal signing Suarez is a real coup.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Sagan at CB

hes played there a bit during pre season hasnt he? he also played there against sunderland last season and was outstanding. his best game last season by a mile.

maybe wenger is thinking about moving him? he seems to have lost a bit of his pace so maybe it is a good move making him a CB if wenger is going to do it.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Beside from all the baggage he has, he's obviously playing up with us, he kicked off at Groningen when he wanted to leave there and he forced a move from Ajax after biting someone there, so it's fairly likely he'd do the same to you after a couple of years.

Then we'll all hate him....